Shockwaves and the like..... useful?

For those missing the target at say 0-15 yards, you need a lot more practice or perhaps a quality trainer. I have learned quite a bit over the years from what started at SOF 3 gun matches to todays "multi-gun" matches. Those with rigid thinking and the obtuse hold themselves back. What I have learned from 3-gun is that a lot of the stances, grips, foot work, goes out the window. Look at how better LE (I'll address that in a bit) and SF/SOF and now regular western ground pounder shoot, much came from competition shooters and 3gun. If you shoot on the move and are "runnin and gunnin" you need pay attention to the target and the timer while still employing safety and basic tactics.

I pushed a beat car for 20 years, we had shotguns ,870s. Nobody really knew how to run them or set them up, especially the golden children in charge of the range. There are "some" in LE that know what they are doing but most do not. Anybody that was on the job when the scatter gun was king I'm sure have a few tales of muzzle up muzzle down ventilations or NDs in or about the station. I know more than few offices that shot themselves, with pistols not shotguns Thank God. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that LE is not the de facto expert base to draw from.

The military peoples experience is also interesting. lets face it , now a days it probably wont be a primary weapon when you have M4/M4a1, M249 M240 with M203/M320. As mentioned above the shotgun is used more of a breaching weapon, its a specialty piece of kit, yes the Marines have their M1014 (M4Super 90) probably a few 590A1s floating around out there. Sometimes a short weapon is better than a big one.

With Shockwave/Tac14 comparing it to a stocked shotgun is comparing apples and oranges. The Shockwave/Tac14 are COMPACT (like a SBS), a stocked shotgun is not. This compact feature helps with carrying, storage, and close quarters type deployment. Yes, for most people a stocked pump/semi-auto with a 18.5-20" barrel will be "easier" to run. I can carry and move around discreetly my "firearms" easily, not so with a full size street howitzer. Most people don't really train or practice all that much, that's ok, a pump shotgun is pretty simple to operate that is why they are so popular. The Shockwave/Tac14 can be used effectively at close range with unsighted shooting techniques. I have no problem hitting a 12x20" steel target at 10 yards with a low under arm shooting position. How about adding a laser?? Remember when everyone thought lasers were a stupid gadget???

Shockwave/Tac14 gives us the "forbidden fruit", NFA must go, its an INFRINGEMENT. The platform may not be for everyone, I get that. But its completely valid and very useful. Learn how to run it and make correct ammo choices and you will be good. I have shot my "firearms" with slugs just as far as a stocked shotgun, it can be done.

It’s a toy, I can’t imagine it being useful. Like others have said, examples of people shooting this well have it so far away from their body that it mind as well have a stock anyway. I haven’t seen anyone shoot it in the way some people proclaim it’d be effective ie; sitting in a truck firing it across their chest ie; “gud truck gun!!”. I think it’s dangerous. Especially for fools that remove the strap and practice rapid fire drills, they’re gonna shoot their damn hands off. But I wouldn’t ban it or nothing, just be careful.

IJustLikeGuns said:

It’s a toy, I can’t imagine it being useful. Like others have said, examples of people shooting this well have it so far away from their body that it mind as well have a stock anyway. I haven’t seen anyone shoot it in the way some people proclaim it’d be effective ie; sitting in a truck firing it across their chest ie; “gud truck gun!!”. I think it’s dangerous. Especially for fools that remove the strap and practice rapid fire drills, they’re gonna shoot their damn hands off. But I wouldn’t ban it or nothing, just be careful.

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You have missed the point completely, this is due to a lack of critical thinking. Yes, thrusting the Shockwave/Tac14 out makes the overall length the same as the stocked shotgun, and this is ONE WAY of using it, not the only way. But what you have missed is that the Mossy/Rem product can be carried discreetly in a small case or bag whereas the Full Size Shotty cannot. The shorter product that offers more concealability, portability and reactivity can basically do the same as the stocked shotgun for those willing to learn. The shorter "firearm" has different weapons flow and dynamics than a full sized gun, its fantastic in tight quarters/spaces.

Just because you haven't seen it yet means it does not exist???, you need to get out more.

I understand that there are those that simply will not like said XYZ product, but to state its a toy is pretty obtuse. Some people like ARs some like AKs, if each operator understands their platform and learns to run it efficiently its effective.

The Shockwave/Tac14 type firearms are like the laser and AR15 based pistol. Each when they came out had a long learning curve, even for the top trainers at each time period. I had to listen for years about how stupid lasers were and that they were toys, now look at where we are at. AR pistols and the "industry" they created, now many of the top companies are making them and other "pistol" based platforms. I give up little to nothing with my AR pistol and the original SIG Brace, in fact Its more because the pistol has more legal protection due to Heller and McDonald and I can carry them.

So easy to use if set up and ran correctly a small child can do it!!

What Can You Do With Your Tac-14?

I’m gonna have to renege on my previous post, I bought the Shockwave today and in the short time I’ve owned it it’s already come in handy three times!

First, nature was callin’ so I pulled off the highway and stopped at a creepy lookin’ rest area. I stuck the Shockwave in my waistband and ambled into the bathroom to do my business. Now, besides providing peace of mind the Shockwave stuck in my pants caused me to walk with this weird straight legged gimp that provided me with an excuse for my car’s occupying the handicap spot out front in a completely empty parking lot.

Second, I was hiking in the woods with the missus with my trusty Shockwave in my backpack when all of the sudden a bear came outta nowhere and charged right for us! I quickly slid the back pack off of my back, set it on the ground, unzipped it, pulled out the Shockwave and shot that bear right in the face, scaring it away before it could even finish eating the rest of my wife’s head! Definitely useful there.

Third, I was parked in a bad area of town just boppin’ my hands on the steering wheel listening to the newest Billie Eilish song when I hear a voice to my left say “Gimme all yo cash or imma blast ya”. I say, “all right, no problem I don’t want any trouble”. Then I turn to my right, reach behind my truck seat, grab the Shockwave, turn back around, level it at the guy and say, “actually, I changed my mind, I DO want trouble!”. Guy audibly crapped himself and ran away! I couldn’t believe I fooled him with the ole “wallet behind the seat of my truck” trick!

Ok, that was funny.
But seriously you do need to get out more...

If I were to get one, I’d be looking at the TAC-13. It may reduce the recoil a little.

Remington V3 Tac-13, still waiting for Mossberg to make a 930/40 Shockwave

Lemme just reiterate what others have said in regards to the SUPERIORITY of the Shockwave when it comes to “house clearing”. Every month I run a drill where I try to “clear” my house within 1 minute. I’ve NEVER been able to achieve this time with my old standby, a Mossberg 590 12 GA w/ 18 inch barrel, I just come to a doorway and freeze as I have no obvious way to pass my person AND firearm through said portal in an efficient manner. Indeed, by the time I’m able to finagle both me and my weapon through the obstacle the stop watch around my neck is screaming failure for all in the vicinity to hear. That is until I plunked down $350 for the Shockwave! NOW my wife and kid can look me in the eye ‘cause I have NO trouble RUNNING through my house, full sprint, with the Shockwave(!) in less than a minute flat!

IJustLikeGuns said:

I have NO trouble RUNNING through my house, full sprint, with the Shockwave(!) in less than a minute flat!

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Yeah. But can you one hand it?
No? Then I guess dual wielding is out of the question...
Pffft. Noobs...

those videos show folks that don't know how to shuck corn but they still had fun.

I would probably pickup a Tac13 for fun if they weren't so expensive. Maybe they will come down in price eventually. As far as practicality I really can't see a situation where I wouldn't be better served by my XD mod 2 with 14 rounds of .45+p???? I certainly don't have to reach around to behind the seat to access my XD in my truck. And I would really rather have a pistol for clearing my house than a shotgun. Turning around in a tight space with a pistol will always be faster for me than even one of these short shotguns. Having to rack a pump gun between shots seems very inefficient when compared to a semi-auto pistol. Then there is the time to reload the weapon if I empty it.

Maybe if I was being mobbed by a swarm of bikers while in my pickup because I ran one of their buddies over I might prefer a short shotgun???? Specifically a fast firing semi-auto short shotgun. But it doesn't really seem like the advantage to a short barreled shotgun in this situation would out weigh all the situations where a pistol would be superior.

I guess I can see a certain amount of shock value coming from the sound of racking a pump shotgun.

If you like the sawed off shotgun type of rig... more power to you... practice and get really good at handling it, just like you would any self defense firearm. For me, I am going to stick with a pistol.