Gimmick or effective?

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Many of you probably remember when these first hit the market a few years ago. Many have labeled them a gimmick or a novelty. Especially with the over dramatic marketing video that accompanied these they truly did come off as gimmicky, being advertised as "the last defensive round you will ever need."

Well fast forward to a few weeks ago I also saw these as a gimmick, the "magic bullet". Well as I have shared in the past I work at a trauma center and work with and see the effects of many different bullet wounds. Had a patient come to us with a reported self induced gunshot to the chest. When patient arrived the gunshot was actually to the shoulder girdle and thankfully not the chest. If able the PD and paramedics try to provide an example of the bullet used so we know what we are dealing with. They produced one of these RIP 9mms. As expected there was an entrance wound but no exit. Upon imaging the effected area the damage was very impressive. The core of the bullet completely shattered the head of the humerus and had stopped just prior to exiting. The frangible petals had all dispersed covering an area of about 6 inches in diameter with some in the bone. The internal damage to the muscle and ligaments were extensive from the petals. Luckily the subclavian and brachial arteries were miraculously missed.

Long story short thankfully the patient was not successful in shooting their self in the chest and got the "yips". To shatter the humerus takes a lot of force especially in a patient of the age they were so I am convinced the bullet and petals would have easily penetrated the ribcage and the internal damage to the lung and heart would most likely have been to much to overcome.

There's a lot of different factors that go in the shootings and damage caused; distance, angle, bullet profile, etc. From the real life example I witnessed this round seems like it would be very effective and "may" have the ability to cause more internal damage than traditional hollow points. Then again if used in a SD scenario I'm sure the prosecutor would demonize the use of such a bullet just by the way it looks.

Have you ever tried these? What are your thoughts? Gimmick or effective?
 
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Have I ever tried these? Not like your patient and definitely not on anyone else.

They function in my Glock 19 and they make holes in paper. That is the extent of my trying these. I don’t use them for carry and I don’t even keep them in said Glock.

It would seem to me that you are in the unique position of knowing much more about the real world terminal effectiveness than nearly everyone else. Thank you for sharing this information. It is more valuable than nearly any other info we can get on ammo.
 
I load the ammo that I carry and practice with. I use Gold dots. Because they are affordable when I load them myself I know for a fact that they are reliable in all my carry weapons. I do not see a need to switch. It is very possible that those bad boys will do more damage than my Gold dot ammo... but chasing the latest greatest and worrying about which ammo is the absolute baddest on the market isn't my thing.
 
I watched an episode a couple weeks ago of "The First 48" where a girl was killed with these bullets. I really haven't heard much about them lately, so I remembered that about the show.

"Once the bullets were analyzed, it was determined that they were a rare type of ammunition nicknamed RIP which stands for Radically Invasive Projectile. The bullets that killed Bridget Shiel not only pierced her skin, but they shredded upon impact and tore her up on the inside."

https://www.inquisitr.com/5241420/f...ad-atlanta-fallen-angel-murder-bridget-shiel/
 
Self inflicted? Like, the gun was like six inches or less from the dude when he shot himself and there was all this aMaZiNg DaMaGe done? Yeah, sounds super effective, I’m sure no other round would do as much damage from that distance. I’ll order 1000 rounds immediately.
 
Sounds like this was a self inflicted wound, likely from very short range and going through minimal clothing. Non fatal wound from point blank range. I would not trust it for SD distances and situations where clothing, hard barriers, angles of defensive arms etc play into account. Factors that do not come into play from a self inflicted wound.

That aside, I have seen the ballistic testing that wasn't done by G2. I know the IWBA and FBI protocols that reputable manufacturers use to make well known defensive rounds. All the tests show this stuff is a gimmick.
 
I'd like to see these dry-cycled a couple dozen times in the average 9mm.

Looks like a conflict of physics for most.

Todd.
 
I don't think they're a gimmick in the sense that they're completely benign or couldn't stop an attack.

I do think they're expensive, and for that extra expense they're not particularly likely to accomplish anything that a Speer or HST JHP couldn't do as well or better.
 
Self inflicted? Like, the gun was like six inches or less from the dude when he shot himself and there was all this aMaZiNg DaMaGe done? Yeah, sounds super effective, I’m sure no other round would do as much damage from that distance. I’ll order 1000 rounds immediately.

I know you're being facetious here but I have seen the damage the typical hollow point does to the same area. Bone destruction was the same with more soft tissue damage from the RIP.
I've unfortunately seen a number of attempts this way. Always sad to see someone come to that point in life. I'm not promoting this brand over the next, just sharing my observations as they happen.
 
This is useful information from someone who has observed results firsthand. Thank you.

Bullets that fragment all over the place have no appeal for me, but I'm sorry you and the distraught shooter had to deal with the consequences. Brings to mind the Winchester Talon bullet that drew fire from docs who were not fans of the sharp jackets encountered while extracting them.

Gold Dots are good enough for me, and I hope to stay out of the way of people using the latest and greatest meat tenderizer bullets.
 
Thanks for the insight. I had a friend that was in a similar position as you and his experience is what lead me to carry Critical Defense. If you feel up to it I'd appreciate hearing more from you on the effectiveness of different ammo in uh real world situations.
 
Read the reports on the infamous 1986 FBI shootout in Miami with two armed bad guys. The FBI rather than admitting that it was a huge screw-up by the agents instead chose to put all of the blame on a single Winchester 9mm bullet that stopped 1” short of one of the BG’s heart.

The RIP bullet doesn’t sound like it will get anywhere close to meeting FBI’s penetration standards.
 
Might be effective but I’m confident the HSTs and Gold Dots I carry will do just fine.

I see no reason for me to spend the extra money on these.
 
Still a gimmick.
Sure, anything that fragments is going to do some wicked damage... in the area it fragments in.
Everything I've seen show some nasty damage but very shallow and lacking any retention to reliably reach the areas that need it.
 
I saw these at a local gun store. In my jurisdiction the legality is questionable. The only thing I know for sure is they were $46 for a box of 20.
 
I wouldn't carry this stuff based on perception alone. They look nasty and the RIP marketing is asking for trouble in the unlikely event you actually had to use it.

This is useful information from someone who has observed results firsthand. Thank you.

Bullets that fragment all over the place have no appeal for me, but I'm sorry you and the distraught shooter had to deal with the consequences. Brings to mind the Winchester Talon bullet that drew fire from docs who were not fans of the sharp jackets encountered while extracting them.

Gold Dots are good enough for me, and I hope to stay out of the way of people using the latest and greatest meat tenderizer bullets.

Glad you mentioned the Black Talon it was my first thought as well. I carried a lot of those " cop killer" body armour penetrating Teflon bullets when they were available. Same with the xtp hollow points and hydro shock bullets.

Iirc the hydro shock had a penetrated in the middle of the HP for Max penetration. I used one in 357 for sd.

From info I got second hand later, from pd detective, it shattered rib, shredded a lung, and lodged in the spine breaking a vertebrae.
 
Since it's in the same realm as the current discussion I will share another example. This was with a traditional hollow point but don't know the exact brand because this time the PD didn't have a recovered round. This was a drug deal gone wrong. Victim was shot in back from unknown distance. Bullet entered right above illeum about L4 and stopped at the pubis bone. Petals had fully expanded. Sadly the patient did not survive. According to imaging either the descending aorta or the femoral artery was hit and pt was basically doa but we did what we could for 30+ minutes.
I know this has what been discussed here before about the viability of pelvic shots and the effectiveness due to the vascularity. I think a frangible round such as the RIP and the like would be devastating to such an area especially if shot from the front, not hitting bone before the vitals. Again, these are just observations and me talking out loud more or less, not making suggestions.
 
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