FlSwampRat
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What else are we supposed to do when we're not doing the pew pew thing?Gun folk absolutely overthink, over-analyze, and over-debate meaningless paper or gel results to comfort themselves in their decision.
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What else are we supposed to do when we're not doing the pew pew thing?Gun folk absolutely overthink, over-analyze, and over-debate meaningless paper or gel results to comfort themselves in their decision.
But that's what the OP was about.Too much perceverating about calibers & shot placement and not enough thought about reducing the risk of conflict in the first place
Uh... splits are just the quantification of the latter.
I cannot buy that, and neither does Rob Pincus or the folks at the FBI Training Academy at Quantico.
Nor do I see any reasonable basis for such an assertion.
Here's Rob: "Physics dictates that the 9mm is going to be a more manageable round (lower recoil) than the .40 S&W out of any particular firearm. So, no matter how much you train and how much you practice, everyone should be able to shoot a string of Combat Accurate 9mm rounds faster than they can fire a string of .40."
A running attacker can move three feet in that difference, and that's one shot. That one shot and/or that three feet could be critical.If the .40 takes me two tenths of a second more to put 5 rounds on target, I'm fine with that
Ah, another holdout in the science of handgun wounding ballistics....because it's a superior cartridge that cuts a bigger hole and does more damage.
We all do.I care more about putting more hurt on an assailant than I do if it feels a bit softer to shoot, I don't carry to please my hand, but to stop a threat.
Ah, another holdout in the science of handgun wounding ballistics.
Energy dump has been discarded has a relevant concept in handgun stopping power. So I'd move on from that.
I fail to see how that might be relevant to the question.My only problem with handguns is cops who have the time to grab their M4 and forgo it for their sidearm in active shooter situations.
I have never heard anyone advise carrying a .22 unless that is the only thing the defender can handle.For us regular folk my advice is to carry whatever you shoot well, 22 or 44, only hits count.
My only problem with handguns is cops who have the time to grab their M4 and forgo it for their sidearm in active shooter situations. For us regular folk my advice is to carry whatever you shoot well, 22 or 44, only hits count.
Cops do that because they are smarter than what people give them credit for. A 5.56 has 3 times the energy of a 9mm. In real life (away from the armchair scientists on the forum) more energy not only works better on living targets but also on hard targets. Cops know this.
Makes no sense what you wrote.
Sheet rock might not readily stop a handgun bullet, but a brick wall will, absolutely. So in an urban environment of steel and masonry....
But it's not the energy. The expansion and tissue damage by the physical impact of the round's material on tissue causes a bleed or damages nervous tissue. There's not a transfer of 'energy' as in a bolt of lightning or a laser beam.
I've seen multiple comments over the years that state that handguns are really barely marginal for self-defense and that a handgun is just a tool so you can get to your rifle.
Hence the caliber war stance that since all handgun calibers are so close it effectiveness, that it really doesn't matter what caliber you go with.
But then I've also seen multiple comments about the 10mm and other larger calibers being too powerful for self-defense due to penetration concerns.
So which is it?
Part of the problem is the way you're phrasing the question.
I've never heard "all handgun calibers are so close it effectiveness, that it really doesn't matter what caliber you go with."
What I have heard is " there's no real difference in the performance characteristics of The Three Main Service Calibers."
10mm isn't that
Picking knits here, but this statement is incorrect. There most certainly IS a transfer of energy in any collision - that’s high school physics level stuff. Energy is not conserved in an inelastic collision, such kinetic energy, Work (change in kinetic energy on the bullet), and Power (rate of change in kinetic energy) are relatively poor predictors for relative wounding, but there absolutely is Work done and energy transferred.
In the most juvenile sense, no, there is not ELECTRICAL energy transferred, but electrons aren’t the only ones in the “Energy” game.
So which is it?
Then in another conversation, the 10mm and .44 Magnum are described as too powerful for self-defense.