Hi Point YC-9 "Yeet Cannon" / Next "step up" in 9mm ?

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mgmorden said:
The Taurus is a locked breech gun - the Hi Point is blowback (and a large percentage of its mass is reciprocating). If the recoil is any lighter its minimally so. I've owned both but it's been quite a few years since I've owned or fired a Hi Point so I can't recall the recoil level specifically.
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I never owned or fired a Hi Point. Probably never will. I was making an assumption, so you might be right.
 
Styx said:
Yea, that was back in their problematic days in like 2011 or so before the new CEO and the PT111 G2. They seemed to have turned everything around since then. They certainly aren't the same company they once were, and no one with a straight face and who is honest can make that claim no matter how much they hate Taurus.
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I don't hate 'em. Don't love 'em either though.
 
triplebike said:
Look at the Ruger American. The full size is $299 & the compact is $269. I had a G2C, lasted about 3000 rds. The Ruger is "50" times the gun & Rugers customer service is 2nd only to Highpoint.
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While I agree but both Ruger American and Taurus G2/C are not available in CA but Hi-Point is.

For many, Hi-Point is only sub $200 pistol option in 9mm/40S&W/45ACP where average CA Compliant Gen3 Glocks run $500+.

I usually talk people into saving up several boxes worth of ammunition money to apply towards buying CA Compliant M&P9/40 and/or Glocks.
 
LiveLife said:
While I agree but both Ruger American and Taurus G2/C are not available in CA but Hi-Point is.

For many, Hi-Point is only sub $200 pistol option in 9mm/40S&W/45ACP where average CA Compliant Gen3 Glocks run $500+.

I usually talk people into saving up several boxes worth of ammunition money to apply towards buying CA Compliant M&P9/40 and/or Glocks.
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Meanwhile they're unarmed...
 
TTv2 said:
I appreciate that you're letting us know this, I had no idea they made us pay for shipping. I do know that you get a free magazine whenever they ship back to you, so it's not like you're getting nothing in return.

BTW, that shipping cost may be the FFL's fee, you might want to look for a different FFL to do shipping.
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It does include the FFL fee of $25 but that's the cheapest around me too.

Sure you get a magazine.....but they at like $17 and you are paying $50. What happens if you send it back again? Or 2 more times?

It adds up to a pretty expensive hi point and a bad investment
 
Styx said:
Yea, that was back in their problematic days in like 2011 or so before the new CEO and the PT111 G2. They seemed to have turned everything around since then. They certainly aren't the same company they once were, and no one with a straight face and who is honest can make that claim no matter how much they hate Taurus.
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In March of 2019 I purchased a new Taurus TX22, in May of 2019 I purchased a new Taurus G2C. I had the TX22 choppy barrel issue just like almost everyone else which to this day has not been resolved. My slide cracked after 4500 rds due to a poorly designed recoil assembly which to this day has not been resolved. After 11 weeks at Taurus it was sent back with a new slide and the exact same poorly designed recoil assembly which after 32 rds fired at Taurus was already damaging the slide in exactly the same way. So a company that released a new firearm with known barrel issues that's still hasn't been rectified after over a year. A company that won't acknowledge a recoil assembly issue. Doesn't sound like a company that turned around anything to me. The G2C developed spider cracks in the metal on either side of the firing pin assembly after 2500 rds. Taurus doesn't give a rats butt about its customers, their motto, throw 10 guns against the wall if 7 sticks they're good.
 
triplebike said:
In March of 2019 I purchased a new Taurus TX22, in May of 2019 I purchased a new Taurus G2C. I had the TX22 choppy barrel issue just like almost everyone else which to this day has not been resolved. My slide cracked after 4500 rds due to a poorly designed recoil assembly which to this day has not been resolved. After 11 weeks at Taurus it was sent back with a new slide and the exact same poorly designed recoil assembly which after 32 rds fired at Taurus was already damaging the slide in exactly the same way. So a company that released a new firearm with known barrel issues that's still hasn't been rectified after over a year. A company that won't acknowledge a recoil assembly issue. Doesn't sound like a company that turned around anything to me. The G2C developed spider cracks in the metal on either side of the firing pin assembly after 2500 rds. Taurus doesn't give a rats butt about its customers, their motto, throw 10 guns against the wall if 7 sticks they're good.
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You seem to have the worse luck that isn't representative of others at least as far as the G2C is concerned.... I do know that they had/have issues with the barrels in their new TX22, but haven't heard of many problems or complaints lately. If you're the same person who had a thread on the issue, I believe they sent you several new barrels in attempt to rectify the problem unsuccessfully I assume.
 
I did not have a single failure with my G2C. I liked the gun, fit my hand well and I got used to the trigger. It was an accurate shooter for me. If I hadn't spotted those cracks, (and they were hard to spot) who knows it could of ran flawlessly for another 2500 rds and beyond. But they were there, decided after the TX22 fiasco, got rid of both, washed my hands clean of Taurus. Lesson Learned. Way to many other gun manufactures out there that do care about the people buying their product.
 
mgmorden said:
Yet their weight and bulk makes them exceedingly difficult to conceal, and even at home their capacity is severely limited compared to other guns of the same size. Honestly, Hi Point should have introduced a double stack magazine with the YC-9.
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Lots of people use 1911 or the sig 220 etc which are exponentially better guns I agree but they are also just as heavy and lower capacity. Narrower by a good bit though. I do agree with you that they just arent a great choice for anything. Even with a double stack. (Although I wish the carbines would use Glock mags......)

Antihero said:
They don't pay shipping to them,
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Sig also doesnt pay shipping after 1 year on CPO or 3 years on new guns. It's a pretty disappointing policy I agree.

I have 2 Hi-point. A rifle I like and a 45 pistol I got very cheap. They are a step up from Lorcin, Clerke, Bryce, Jennings....etc. of anything currently made I think they are pretty much the bottom step. They are accurate due to the straight blowback though.
 
Gordon said:
Screw the yeet cannon BS,
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Each of us could make that statement , we just have different meanings.
To each his own.

Edit / amendment - I just looked at the link in Gordon's post #36 ; I clearly misinterpreted his post. In light of that my statement above makes no sense and is retracted.
My apologies - and yes - the used Smith in a heartbeat.
 
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Gordon said:
Screw the yeet cannon BS, life time warranty and they work great and are easily improved
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I never cared for them but the smiths are cheap good guns and I'd definitely recommend one over a Hi-point. And I have dealt with Smith customer service a few times. They are non communicative but do pay shipping both ways and have had fast turn around and good work IME. Good choice. The 249-269$ gen4 Glock 40s are a great deal as well as the 250 M&P. With the current market I just can't fathom why Hi-point is selling guns. Back when I got my high point a Glock was 500. A sig/beretta/HK was more...sometimes double. A smith or ruger semi (and they were P-series and Sigma at the time) were 300-400. And the hi-point was 99. Capacity was a non-issue because the AWB was still in effect. If you found a decent capacity gun the Mags costed far more than a hi-point.... They made far more sense (if you were broke) then than now. They werent great but they were 1/3 the price of the cheaper "good" guns 1/8 the price of a sig/beretta/HK and they ran well usually.

Now days I just dont get it. At all
 
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While Hi Points have a good reputation for being at least functional, I fail to understand in a world of cheaply priced entry level guns from Ruger and S&W along with others, why anyone would choose anything from Hi Point.

They look like bar code scanners that happen to shoot bullets, and are optimal for nothing.
 
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Gordon said:
Screw the yeet cannon BS, life time warranty and they work great and are easily improved . Very good carry gun with 17 round mags - cheap. $219
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/848514108
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It's being offered on an online firearm auction site which most people who aren't gun people and even many who are don't like buying online (especially a used gun), it's a used gun, it's $234 shipped, and it's even more for a transfer fee...

460Shooter said:
While Hi Points have a good reputation for being at least functional, I fail to understand in a world of cheaply priced entry level guns from Ruger and S&W along with others, why anyone would choose anything from Ho Point.

They look like bar code scanners that happen to shot bullets, and are optimal for nothing.
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There are literally dozens of gun shops in my area. None of them have Rugers or Smiths prices at Hi Point prices. Even in the one in a million chance they had one that used and not over priced, it's sell off quickly, so there would not be enough to satisfy demand. Even still and even though people one this forum thumb there noises at budget guns like Taurus and Hi Point, many who are buying them are happy and content with their purchase and the current crop of budget guns are generally reliable. If they like it, I love it even if it's not for me.
 
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Styx said:
There are literally dozens of gun shops in my area. None of them have Rugers or Smiths prices at Hi Point prices.
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Recoil, kings, cdnn, buds? Can you not buy online. They have had 250-300 dollar like new glocks for two years. Still in stock. M&P for 250..still in stock. Ive not seen a sigma or sv break 300 dollars in 15 years. Idk.

I have a hi-point but it was 99 dollars new year's ago. I've passed on them for that price in the last few years. They are good enough for that. But they aren't close to the other 300 dollar offerings right now. In 10 years? Who knows. The carbines I like.

I've still got my hi point 45. I get it out to shut up the haters. It will group with most any gun I've seen slow fire with some trigger control. Most people simply cant shoot well. The barrel is pinned and can not move so it has no choice but to shoot well. If anyone wants one then by all means. But with prices where they are I just dont see it.
 
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crestoncowboy said:
Recoil, kings, cdnn, buds? Can you not buy online. They have had 250-300 dollar like new glocks for two years. Still in stock. M&P for 250..still in stock. Ive not seen a sigma or sv break 300 dollars in 15 years. Idk.

I have a hi-point but it was 99 dollars new year's ago. I've passed on them for that price in the last few years. They are good enough for that. But they aren't close to the other 300 dollar offerings right now. In 10 years? Who knows. The carbines I like.
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Like I stated, many do not want to buy online. I've heard members on this site a d other gun forums say they rather buy at LGS to support them and/or like to handle the very gun their going to purchase before buying. Others don't want to wait or feel comfortable buying online, and most non gun people don't even know it's an option. I'm not seeing any like new Glocks for $250 and if there were, they were in 40s&w which is a caliber many do not want. Even still, the price would be $25-$50 more in transfer fees.

Hi Points are around $120 online and $150 at LGS NIB.
 
Styx said:
It's being offered on an online firearm auction site which most people who aren't gun people and even many who are don't like buying online (especially a used gun), it's a used gun, it's $234 shipped, and it's even more for a transfer fee...


There are literally dozens of gun shops in my area. None of them have Rugers or Smiths prices at Hi Point prices. Even in the one in a million chance they had one that used and not over priced, it's sell off quickly, so there would not be enough to satisfy demand. Even still and even though people one this forum thumb there noises at budget guns like Taurus and Hi Point, many who are buying them are happy and content with their purchase and the current crop of budget guns are generally reliable. If they like it, I love it even if it's not for me.
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So $170 for a POS weird shape thing PLUS shipping and legal fees versus $250 or so delivered excellent and accurate hi cap gun with warranty paid both ways shipping ? You can find plenty of good used used guns like Sigma or M&P or older Rugers . And now we have the next generation SCCY pistols I see in LGS for UNDER $200 or on line for $125 ! A fairly decent proper gun, leave the Yeet Cannons to bangers ect. Youl be glad you did ! :)
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/10/gun-deals-sccy-cpx-2-9mm-pistol-rebate/#axzz6End9C8Zw
 
Gordon said:
So $170 for a POS weird shape thing PLUS shipping and legal fees versus $250 or so delivered excellent and accurate hi cap gun with warranty paid both ways shipping ? You can find plenty of good used used guns like Sigma or M&P or older Rugers . And now we have the next generation SCCY pistols I see in LGS for UNDER $200 or on line for $125 ! A fairly decent proper gun, leave the Yeet Cannons to bangers ect. Youl be glad you did ! :)
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/10/gun-deals-sccy-cpx-2-9mm-pistol-rebate/#axzz6End9C8Zw
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I guess my post about it's concerns about buying online, buy using, as well as being able to afford the 2x price difference is going over some of your heads? In the end, all that matters is that the gun is reliable, shoots straight, and works for the owner. Hi Points seem to fit the bill. It's an affordable option that works for those who are lower income. What we personally like, can afford, would buy, or where we would purchase from, e.i. online venders, is irrelevant.
 
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Styx said:
I'm not seeing any like new Glocks for $250
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Recoil and Smokey mountain have had them for a couple years now. 3 mags too. Gen 4 with night sights. Occasionally free shipping. I used to only buy local but changed that due to bad attitudes. Smokey mountain is actually local to me as is buds (same parking lot actually. ) but yeah if you wont buy online then you will likely pay more and I respect that. I pay double the standard transfer fee because I like the store I go to.

My point is that the carbine works and is 1/3 the price of the nearest competitor and probably 1/4 of the nearest 10mm competitor. Great value IMO. The handgun just doesnt have the advantage that the carbine does. When I got mine back in 03 and 04 it was different world. The Hi point was about the perfect cheap truck gun at that time. Only guns cheaper were lorcin and Jennings and they were trash.
 
Styx said:

Whenever I post this video, naysayers tend it ignore what's in it.

I actually do not think the trigger is bad at all. There's more take up with just about zero weight to it before you hit the wall, and it breaks clean but far back. The reset is short.. It's not as long and heavy as DOA triggers that many can shoot well. It's not a competition or target trigger. Not a great trigger but it's not bad either. It's a decent self defense trigger.

As far as Hi Points are concerned, people who buy them because they can't afford anything else aren't going to be paying range fees on top of 5k rounds of ammo. I doubt they get anywhere close to seeing 5k rounds through the gun, so it'll basically will last them a life time. I don't reckon income restricted Hi Point owners can afford the cost of a CCW class, ammo, and all the cost of government red tape that comes with it. They typically aren't buying Hi Points for conceal carry period, so in that case, the weight and bulk is a moot complaint. It can actually be a plus over a smaller, lighter pistol like a Taurus because of the dampened recoil. No, it's not an optimal choice, but it's better than nothing that'll serve it's intended purpose. They aren't for me, but some people really like them. The company has been around for years and hasn't gone bankrupt, had a bunch of safety recalls, or had a bunch of lawsuits. They must be do something right for the most part.
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True.

Hi-Point makes guns for people who don’t like guns – and that’s likely a significant market.

People for whom a gun is only for self-defense, who have no interest in the shooting sports – they’ll take it to the range after buying it, shoot a magazine or two, and never shoot the gun again.
 
crestoncowboy said:
Lots of people use 1911 or the sig 220 etc which are exponentially better guns I agree but they are also just as heavy and lower capacity. Narrower by a good bit though. I do agree with you that they just arent a great choice for anything. Even with a double stack. (Although I wish the carbines would use Glock mags......)



Sig also doesnt pay shipping after 1 year on CPO or 3 years on new guns. It's a pretty disappointing policy I agree.

I have 2 Hi-point. A rifle I like and a 45 pistol I got very cheap. They are a step up from Lorcin, Clerke, Bryce, Jennings....etc. of anything currently made I think they are pretty much the bottom step. They are accurate due to the straight blowback though.
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Have you fired a Bryco 48? I gave fired a lot if rounds thru one and it's leaps and bounds the hi point I have, even finishing wise.

Gun Tests Magazine even said they were stunned by the Bryco.
 
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