Anyone have experience with BCA or Delta Team uppers?

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Hey guys,

Sorry this is so long winded, but I figure I’ll get a lot better info if I provide some context.

I’m looking at building a 6.5 Grendel this spring, and while I’m shopping for parts, I came across some offerings from Bear Creek Arsenal and Delta Team Tactical. Delta has a 10.5 inch 556 upper for just under $150, and it’s really hard to beat that price. Does anyone have any experience with either companies products?

For the Grendel build, I want to make sure I’m getting something reliable and accurate since it’s going to be one of my go to camping/exploring rifles, but I don’t want to be ignoring a possibly good option like the BCA just because I don’t know anyone who has one.

The 10.5 upper is purely something cool that I can use for range shenanigans and have something to practice iron sights with. It’s kind of a take it or leave it thing.

I have a feeling that the Delta Team Tactical prices are too good to be true for a reason, but I’m an optimist.

Thanks guys
 
I have a bear creek free floated upper in 7.62x39 and it's been fantastic. I paid about 200 with bolt/charging handle.

It shoots 1-1.5 inches with brass case and 2.5 with crummy steel case

I've been very impressed. I'm looking at a bear creek 450 bushmaster upper for next deer season
 
Well considering that Delta Team Tactical goes by several different names and is known for slow shipping along with poor quality. I know Delta has gotten really bad reviews on other sites. Yes some people have gotten decent stuff from them. All I can say is do a good search on Delta Tactical.
 
I hate to describe their stuff as "cheap" so I'll just say inexpensive...I'm talking about Palmetto State Armory. For inexpensive stuff, it's pretty darned good. I always point friends and acquaintances that way when they are budget shopping.

You're asking for inexpensive, accurate and reliable. Yes, you can have all of those, but as far as reliability goes, that is a term subject to some interpretation. If reliability is something that you could put a number on, it would probably be more useful to know what the mean time between failures is for any particular brand of upper that you are considering.

For Palmetto, getting a 10.5" upper for $150 means no BCG and you're getting a barrel that isn't chromelined. And, I'm not even sure of the steel that these barrels are made of. If you opt for the low cost bolt, that's maybe another $50 or $80. This is for their lower line BCG. This rig will likely last you a good while. If you're a real shooter and pour thousands of rounds through your rifle, I don't know how long the barrel/BCG will last. Could be less than a year before something fails. If you're only an occasional shooter, it may last for many years to come.

For me, the stuff from Bravo Company is about as high up the ladder as I'm willing to pay for. You can get their 11.5" upper, without handguards for just over $500. What that $500 will get you is a true milspec upper (some parts are more milspec that others), a hammer forged, chromelined barrel and chamber made of milspec steel that has been high pressure tested and magnetic particle inspected with a gas tube that won't burn through when you decide to spend the afternoon doing mag dumps. For another $170 or so, you can get their BCG made of carpenter steel that has been MPI, with a properly installed gas key, blah blah blah.

With the $150 upper (plus BCG) you will likely get something that will run just fine. The question is really one of when will things start to fail. When will you start seeing lugs cracking and falling off of the bolt? A crack in carrier? Gas key that won't stay? Loss of accuracy due to a worn barrel?

For low cost, my plug is for PSA. Figure out what you want the rifle/upper to do and buy accordingly. If you do decide to go cheap, I mean, inexpensive my only advise is to buy some good back up small parts. Springs, pins, gas tube and GAS RINGS. These are not are created equally and can be the difference between a good day at the range and a wasted day. I keep a spare bolt in my pistol grip and a small parts kit in my stock.
 
Speaking of Delta Team Tactical, when my latest episode with them is finished (started 2 months ago for small parts), I have vowed never to do business with them again...ever!
 
My sample size in BCA is one, however I've been very happy with a heavy barrel complete upper in 223 wylde with their bcg. 900 rounds of tula steel and about 1200 mixed reloads & winchester black pack 556 brass so far. No stoppages or jams. Definitely more accurate than the PSA builds my son runs. Generally close to moa with reloads, little under 2 with the rest. I've heard similar results from other people I know with their BCA guns.
 
I’ve been dealing with Delta Team Tactical for several years and can tell you this. They have stood behind their products. I have bought several barrels and upper kits and complete uppers from them. I only had trouble with one 300 Blackout upper kit that I bought from them. It had a carbine gas system and just wouldn’t feed correctly no matter what I tried. They had me send it back. When I got it back it had a new barrel with a carbine gas system and a new handrail. They basically rebuilt it free of charge for me.
I bought a 458 SOCOM barrel for a build and its been great.
Omega Manufacturing owns Delta Team Tactical, and they also own Davidson Defense.
The company has grown a lot in the last few years and had a bit of a rough time when the started out, but they are good to go.
I do have to say that they are not the fastest when it comes to shipping. But most often it’s free when spending over $200.
 
I'm shooting two BCA uppers, including a 20" Grendel that I need to spend more time wringing out.
BCA offers side charging, reciprocating uppers which is what I prefer, so they are my default.

I've also used quite a bit of Delta's products in the last few builds andnhave had no issues.
 
I bought a buffer tube kit from Delta Team Tactical a week after New Years and they shipped the day after I ordered, can't complain about that.
 
I got a complete rifle kit from delta it look 2 months to be delivered and that's after calling them every 2 weeks. All but the hanguard was fine. The handguard is unusable.
 
I bought a BCA upper receiver, one of their dual charging ones. Very nice, be sure you get it with the charging handle and bolt! Don't be cheap, just spend the money and get the package.

I also bought a complete DTT 458 Socom upper. I added a different muzzle brake, so I didn't buy one from them. Haven't had any problems with the upper to date.

Both companies have had issues over the years, have changed names in the past... I can only speak of my own experience and so far it's been good. I think the internet keeps companies from changing names now, people just track down their past and post it. So, we'll just have to watch and see.

BCA is doing a pretty good job of stepping up, seems like most of their issues have been worked out. I also find it funny how people bad mouth them but on Veterans Day will be standing in line to get one of their free barrels.

Do your own thinking, Google is right at your fingertips! If you don't like what you see, walk away. PSA is another company that offers great deals.
 
I’ve got a BCA 6.5Grendel complete upper. 20” heavy fluted barrel.

I’m pleased with it. It’s still breaking in. I’ve got perhaps 200rds through it and groups are continuing to tighten.
Last three shots were with 3rds of 95gr Hornady Vmax left over from 50rds loaded in nufb. 30.0gr IMR8208, landed in a cloverleaf cluster.

Picked it up on sale for less than $200 shipped.
I’m satisfied!
 
I have a 20” heavy barrel upper that I’m breaking in but 50 rounds so far has been reliable. BCA stuff has been good so far. I also have 2 9mm Glock conversion barrels that I’m happy with.
 
Chrome lined barrels are so 1960. I'll take a salt nitrated barrel over chrome lined ANY day.

I have a BCA 300 Blackout side charging pistol upper. It's very nice.
 
I built a 20" 223 from Delta Team Tactical and it shoots every well with 62gr or 69gr bullets compared to 55gr bulk, the hand guard is a little thinner than the one from a 24" 6.5grendel I purchased from Bear Creek Arsenal. BCA ships quickly and includes the BCG and charging handle, DTT has a better choice of accessories at very competitive prices.
The stainless barrel from BCA looks good with the black guard, everything was tight and well constructed, needed VERY little lapping if any.
The stocks from DTT are loose on a milspec tube, I tightened mine up with plastic shims, the LPKs work good, mine didn't come with a BCG or charging handle and they were out of stock when I realized that.
 
Chrome lined barrels are so 1960. I'll take a salt nitrated barrel over chrome lined ANY day.

I have a BCA 300 Blackout side charging pistol upper. It's very nice.
You’re not a believer in Go Chrome, Or go home. Or , Chrome will get you home.
I remember all the guys over at that not to be named AR forum, spouting off that garbage and how Nitride barrels weren’t as good. Now those same guys are using Nitride barrels.
 
You’re not a believer in Go Chrome, Or go home. Or , Chrome will get you home.
I remember all the guys over at that not to be named AR forum, spouting off that garbage and how Nitride barrels weren’t as good. Now those same guys are using Nitride barrels.

Chrome lined barrels were the answer to a 60's problem. Technology advances. The Military doesn't. Chrome lined barrels and Carpenter steel bolts. Why has this spec lasted so long?

The AR platform is getting pretty long in the tooth. It's '50's technology at best. I'm actually shocked that it has remained the issue rifle/carbine for as long as it has.

I think we need to throw open the door and see what modern technology can come up with in regards to a modern rifle.
 
I cannot speak to DTT but I do have some BCA parts. They're nothing special but certainly functional and I haven't had any issues with broken parts, at least as of yet. When I was putting together my pistol they (BCA) were one of the only places offering an 11.5" barrel with a carbine gas system, at least that I seen.
 
Thanks for all the input! It was able to find one of the uppers I’m looking for at Palmetto for a comparable price, so DTT is no longer an issue.

It sounds like Bear Creek might not be bad.

I appreciate the chrome lines barrel discussion. :) it’s somethig I’ve been meaning to research but have been short on time lately.
 
On a certain AR forum, there is a very lengthy thread about high round counts. Henderson Defense in Las Vegas has definitely put their AR's through the tests and the Nitride barrels fair just as well under heavy full auto use.
 
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