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Revolvers that take moon clips for an inferior semi auto round. What's the point? Get a 357 and if you want less recoil shoot 38s. I don't get why you would limit your rounds to 5-6 with a revolver in a semi auto cartridge when you can have more capacity and faster reloads with an actual semi auto gun. I love revolvers but revolvers that shoot what they are made to shoot. To me it's ridiculous.
 
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I always have had a soft spot for the French Model 1892 service revolver along with the French built Manurhin P1, PP, and PPK pistols, and the French MAT-49 submachine gun.
I'm perfectly willing to accept a difference in opinion there. I'm a 'function over form' guy above all, and those fit, but IMO they have no beauty in doing so.
And the picture doesn't count; it's not a French design. Though if anyone could have even more going on than the Germans, it would be the French. It just wouldn't function well despite it.
FWIW, I'm sure there are exceptions. I'm just not personally familiar with them.
 
Hmm.not looking to argue but a .380 IS..
-easier to conceal..it's smaller, yo(Glock 42 vs Glock 26)
-MUCH less recoil..Glock 43 and Glock 42 almost the same size..MUCH less recoil with G42..own)ed) both, traded the G43 for a G26..

I cannot IWB a bigger gun than a Glock 42 during summer, t-shirt weather. making sure it's concealed is very important to me.
Recent defensive ammo(Like Lehigh Xtreme Defender and G9 .380 ammo) 'tests VERY favoribly vs 9mm JHP.particularly out of shrt barreled 9mm and thru lots of clothing..Limited expension and in lots of cases, NO expension due to the HP getting clogged.

BUT, YMMV, just my observations..NOT telling you what to carry..
If concealment is an issue, nothing hides better than a Walther PPSM2 9mm with a Klinger holster. Want penetration and expansion, try your favorite 147hp. Shoots like a full size gun and recoils less (or at least less snappy) than any .380 I ever shot. Your point well taken though.
 
Despite me loving guns, there are actually quite a few that I hate, some for purely ascetic reasons, and others for reliability issues, and other's still for no apparent reason.

Anything from Calico... They're retarded looking guns, and I have never heard of them running well.

Any semi auto pistol or rifle that looks like a MAC-10 that isn't a MAC-10. They just look dumb.

I have never liked the way hammerless revolvers looked. And besides the Model 3 or Schofield, the TRR8, and some of the 686s, I never found S&W revolvers to look that good. Though I guess the Model 10-7 and 10-8s are ok.

The FN 57 looks bad to me.

China's main service rifle. Don't know what it's called, looks dumb.

I think that newish Kel-Tec .22lr "pistol" that comes from that .22mag carbine looks really dumb. But their brand new 22 pistol looks really cool.

The long barrel version of the KSG looks stupid too

I think any semi auto pistol or rifle that has two barrels that fires two cartridges at once, is possibly the dumbest idea and thing to ever come to market in the world of guns...

That UTAS 12 shotgun looked dumb, and so does that double barrel pump action shotgun...

That Mossberg tactical lever gun.... Ugly.

Those derrengers with the trigger guards look ugly (Bond arms maybe?), but I get that.

There were those break action single shot pistols that were chambered in rifle calibers... Why? Dumb.

Those 22 zip guns... Absolutely idiotic

I think the Taurus Judge is gimmicky. Never liked the look of Taurus semi autos besides their 1911 and 92FS copies.

The French FAMAS and the British bullpup service rifles both look kinda dumb.

Anything from Hi-Point is butt ugly, though I would totally buy one of their carbines.

Honestly, every pistol from Springfield minus their 1911s, and AR pistol.

The new Ruger LC380 looks really stupid too.

The Phoenix HP22a pistols look ok, but they suck and aren't reliable.

Any gun with hunting camo paint or wrapping I find repulsive (especially shotguns with like a 30" barrel)

Shotguns in general kind of...

Personally, I don't like DA/SA semi autos pistols at all.

I don't really like Sig, H&K, Colt, Remington, or Springfield as companies, though I do like many of theIr products.

I apologize if anybody was offended, I was being super harsh... But honest.
 
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Despite me loving guns, there are actually quite a few that I hate, some for purely ascetic reasons, and others for reliability issues, and other's still for no apparent reason.

Anything from Calico... They're retarded looking guns, and I have never heard of them running well.

Any semi auto pistol or rifle that looks like a MAC-10 that isn't a MAC-10. They just look dumb.

I have never liked the way hammerless revolvers looked. And besides the Model 3 or Schofield, the TRR8, and some of the 686s, I never found S&W revolvers to look that good. Though I guess the Model 10-7 and 10-8s are ok.

The FN 57 looks bad to me.

China's main service rifle. Don't know what it's called, looks dumb.

I think that newish Kel-Tec .22lr "pistol" that comes from that .22mag carbine looks really dumb. But their brand new 22 pistol looks really cool.

The long barrel version of the KSG looks stupid too

I think any semi auto pistol or rifle that has two barrels that fires two cartridges at once, is possibly the dumbest idea and thing to ever come to market in the world of guns...

That UTAS 12 shotgun looked dumb, and so does that double barrel pump action shotgun...

That Mossberg tactical lever gun.... Ugly.

Those derrengers with the trigger guards look ugly (Bond arms maybe?), but I get that.

There were those break action single shot pistols that were chambered in rifle calibers... Why? Dumb.

Those 22 zip guns... Absolutely idiotic

I think the Taurus Judge is gimmicky. Never liked the look of Taurus semi autos besides their 1911 and 92FS copies.

The French FAMAS and the British bullpup service rifles both look kinda dumb.

Anything from Hi-Point is butt ugly, though I would totally buy one of their carbines.

Honestly, every pistol from Springfield minus their 1911s, and AR pistol.

The new Ruger LC380 looks really stupid too.

The Phoenix HP22a pistols look ok, but they suck and aren't reliable.

Any gun with hunting camo paint or wrapping I find repulsive (especially shotguns with like a 30" barrel)

Shotguns in general kind of...

Personally, I don't like DA/SA semi autos pistols at all.

I don't really like Sig, H&K, Colt, Remington, or Springfield as companies, though I do like many of theIr products.

I apologize if anybody was offended, I was being super harsh... But honest.

With a long hate post like that I was all ready to dispute your opinions...

Except I can't find any of your points I disagree with.
 
I've seen hundreds of guns that I don't like well enough to spend any of my money on them. I've owned perhaps 20 or 30 that I didn't like enough to keep them. That is, I would rather sell them and get something else that I would like better, but I wouldn't say that I "didn't like them." The two that stand out for me that I do NOT like are the HK P2000SK and the Ruger LCR .38 Special. I'm sorry to say, I still have the LCR, haven't gone to the trouble of selling it due to laziness.
 
I'm sorry to say, I still have the LCR, haven't gone to the trouble of selling it due to laziness.

I feel the same. Sure, I only paid $10 for mine (raffle) but it's just not worth the effort selling. Man, do I dislike shooting that thing though, and it doesn't even conceal as well as my Glock 26, let alone better.
 
I feel the same. Sure, I only paid $10 for mine (raffle) but it's just not worth the effort selling. Man, do I dislike shooting that thing though, and it doesn't even conceal as well as my Glock 26, let alone better.
I don't consider myself recoil sensitive - I've shot a lot of magnum and big caliber guns and wasn't bothered by any of them that I recall, and my favorite round to shoot is a full-house .357 Magnum out of an L Frame or even a K Frame - but my LCR is pretty much painful to shoot with little 'ol .38 Specials.

If that's not bad enough, mine struggles to put 5 rounds in a 6" group at 10 yards, and more typically shoots closer to 8" I've seen people say that theirs shoots much better, but mind does not, at least not with the couple of different types of ammo that I've tried. This thread is inspiring me to get off my butt and put it up for sale. :)
 
I don't consider myself recoil sensitive - I've shot a lot of magnum and big caliber guns and wasn't bothered by any of them that I recall, and my favorite round to shoot is a full-house .357 Magnum out of an L Frame or even a K Frame - but my LCR is pretty much painful to shoot with little 'ol .38 Specials.

If that's not bad enough, mine struggles to put 5 rounds in a 6" group at 10 yards, and more typically shoots closer to 8" I've seen people say that theirs shoots much better, but mind does not, at least not with the couple of different types of ammo that I've tried. This thread is inspiring me to get off my butt and put it up for sale. :)

My daughter had a LCR and it was bruising her hand pretty bad. She wanted to sell it so I shot it once. I agreed and said yep, sell that painful little bruiser!
 
I don't consider myself recoil sensitive - I've shot a lot of magnum and big caliber guns and wasn't bothered by any of them that I recall, and my favorite round to shoot is a full-house .357 Magnum out of an L Frame or even a K Frame - but my LCR is pretty much painful to shoot with little 'ol .38 Specials.

Yep, i used to use mine as a "warmup" to deaden my hands a bit if I was gonna be shooting hot .44 mags.

Even downloaded some seriously powder puff .38s to try to make it bearable for my wife but they still felt awful to her, and unpleasant to me.

It's just not worth enough to bother trying to sell, so I keep it in case I need a pocket option some day (a method of carry I do not prefer).
 
Yep, i used to use mine as a "warmup" to deaden my hands a bit if I was gonna be shooting hot .44 mags.
It should work for that, but I'd rather just open-handed slap the side of a rough-barked Oak tree. :D

It's just not worth enough to bother trying to sell, so I keep it in case I need a pocket option some day (a method of carry I do not prefer).
I characterized my failure to sell it as "laziness" up in an earlier post, but your reasoning is exactly what I tell myself to justify not selling it thus far. Now you've validated my "excuse." :D
 
Yep, i used to use mine as a "warmup" to deaden my hands a bit if I was gonna be shooting hot .44 mags.

Even downloaded some seriously powder puff .38s to try to make it bearable for my wife but they still felt awful to her, and unpleasant to me.

It's just not worth enough to bother trying to sell, so I keep it in case I need a pocket option some day (a method of carry I do not prefer).


This does not seem enjoyable at all. lol
 
I understand it's nearly unavoidable nowadays, but I can't stand plastic on firearms. I'll take bluing and walnut on just about any firearm...handguns included.

And I don't like 1911's with smooth front straps. Unless they're made prior to 1950.

Lastly, there's really no reason to put a crappy trigger in anything that costs more than $300.
 
Revolvers that take moon clips for an inferior semi auto round. What's the point? Get a 357 and if you want less recoil shoot 38s. I don't get why you would limit your rounds to 5-6 with a revolver in a semi auto cartridge when you can have more capacity and faster reloads with an actual semi auto gun. I love revolvers but revolvers that shoot what they are made to shoot. To me it's ridiculous.

I used to think this way, but I see some very real potential advantages to rimless cartridges in a revolver. I think what remains to be seen are revolvers that are really optimized for them.

First of all, I came to realize how awesome full moon-clips are. I can take forty of them loaded to a class and don't have to reload all day. The guys with Glocks have to stop every hour or two to stuff more rounds in their magazines. They would need 16 magazines to keep up and I haven't seen anyone bring that many to a class yet. Picking up brass is easy. It falls from the shooting position instead of being thrown all over and it falls in large bunches instead of individual cases. Reload speed with clips is faster than most people are with magazines. I will concede that magazines are faster for dumping large volumes of ammo, but I don't do that. I never shoot my revolvers with individual rounds anymore. I just don't have any reason to.

.38 and .357 Magnum are generally not optimized for handgun length barrels with smokeless powder. They are all I shoot from handguns and the only handgun cartridge I reload, and I'm pretty familiar with them. The .38 case was designed for black powder. It's excessively long for smokeless powder, especially at the SAAMI pressure limit for .38 Special and +P. If we forgo the low pressure limit (as with .38/44 and .357 Magnum) we still have excess case capacity unless we're using a bulky, heavily-deterred powder (like H110 for example). Those powders do indeed offer more velocity out of even the shortest barrels, but at terrible efficiency. The bottom line is we can achieve most of the performance of .357 Magnum from 4" and shorter barrels, with a shorter case, using a medium burn rate powder. What's more, there is evidence that the additional performance of the longer case and slower magnum powders does not offer any benefit in terminal performance and wound ballistics. Essentially, you don't get anything for all the magnumness other than flash, gas, and blast.

So now let's talk about where a cartridge case should headspace. The rim is a brilliant solution for single-shots and doubles. It creates a challenge stacked in magazines and clips, though one that can be overcome (Enfield and Coonan for examples). However, in a revolver cylinder, the rims increase the diameter of the circle of cartridges larger than it needs to be.

While most modern rifle cartridges headspace on the shoulder of the bottleneck case, H&H found a unique alternative to rims for straight-walled cases when they introduced a belted case. Most notably, Freedom Arms adopted a belted case (500 WE) to allow a fifty caliber cartridge to be chambered in a revolver that otherwise would not have fit five rounds of a rimmed fifty-caliber cartridge like 500 S&W. Belts headspace very simply like rims, but they waste less diameter in doing so.

Headspacing on the case mouth is popular for straight-walled rimless cartridges, and most of the autoloader cartridges use it. It is less suitable for revolvers, particularly high-recoil magnum revolvers where a good crimp on the case mouth is desirable to prevent crimp jump. Unlike an autoloader, there is no magazine wall to hold the bullets in.

Headspacing can also be achieved with a moonclip in the case groove. One of the perceived disadvantages of this is the need for a moonclip. Some revolvers so chambered do offer an alternative of headspacing on the case mouth without clips, though extraction requires a rod when a clip is not used. For me personally, I no longer see any advantage to not using a moonclip in any double-action revolver.

An advantage of available moonclips for popular autoloader cartridges is that they are thicker, fitting into the thicker case grooves on those cartridges. They are therefore more durable and hold the cases more stiffly.

What remains to come about are revolvers that are best optimized for these chamberings. Most revolvers are based on frames for long cartridges. The Korth Skyhawk is a notable exception. Perhaps revolvers don't really need short cylinders. Even though the advantages of longer cases, bulky charges of slow powder, and long, heavy bullets are questionable for most uses, the ability to accommodate long cartridges is one of the advantages of a revolver in comparison to a pistol with the magazine in the handgrip. In that case, we might need to adopt lengthened cartridges like 10mm Magnum to make the most of it. Revolver cylinder diameters are also sized for popular rimmed cartridges. So for example, if we chamber a revolver in 10mm, a six-round cylinder won't be any smaller than it would be for 44 Magnum unless the manufacturer produces a unique frame and cylinder size. Sometimes the fit happens to be better than others. S&W used their large N-frame for 10mm, whereas Ruger fit 6-rounds into the smaller GP100. If we look at 9mm revolvers, we see guns like the 986 and 929 whose cylinders are large enough to accommodate and equal number of chambers and the rims on .357.

As long as the cylinder is large enough to hold an equal number of rimmed cases, the advantages of rimless are few and the proposition is not very compelling. Unfortunately, there's just not enough interest in revolvers outside special purposes like competition and handgun hunting to drive demand for the only slightly different features and specifications that could make rimless cartridge chamberings more compelling.
 
The Cacarno Carbine, a real wonder weapon. Like I wonder who bought this Italian garbage to start with. The bolt is held together with a pin about the size of an 8# nail. Pin breaks, you eat bolt.
 
The lousiest semi-auto shotgun I've ever owned (a Hatfield, $206 at Walmart) was more fun to shoot than the nicest pump shotgun I've ever owned (Remington 870). Unless someone gives me one, or makes a ridiculous offer, I'm done with pump shotguns.
Some time ago, I put together my dream long-range gun: a .308 Weatherby Vanguard 2 with heavy barrel, steel rail, big fat scope, fancy bolt knob, the works. After hauling that 12-pound monstrosity to the range about a half-dozen times, I realized a few things:
1) Having to work a bolt every single time to fire just one shot is annoying, and requres more manual dexterity (which I'm short on) than any other type of action;
2) Walking 100 yards to set up/check on/retrieve targets is annoying and feels like a waste of time I'd rather spend on more shooting.

So now I'm done with bolt actions also!
 
I've owned about 20 pistols over time, and 3 stand out as real POS. First was a Taurus G2C, ftf,fte, stovepipes you name it. Bye. next was a ATI
Firefly, terrible piece of poor design and terrible manufacture, Jamomatic #1. Final one recently was a Keltec PMR 30, the owner has great ideas, really gets outside the box, but his execution was terrible. The back of the slide would not clear the ejector bar, the slide release would not release because its' catch went too deep into the frame. Worse of all was having burnt powder and bullet fragments spray you in your face when firing. I called c/s about that, advice was "change bullets". Finally the vaunted 30 round magazine is a joke, no one ever can get 30 into it, mostly 20 or so. Their QC has to be non-existent, aside from a lack of GMP.
 
life's too short to go around hating things. If it doesn't work for you, fine move on. If a guy looks like a clown using it, fine don't look at him and move on.

However something is a poor design then by all means speak up.
 
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