Kahr Arms?

I'm a Glock guy but have come to carry my P9 Covert (former BUG) a lot more than my G32, 23 or 19.
I like the Covert for the short grip which fits me perfectly.

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I believe I got this in 2004 and carried it daily on construction jobs even when our company had a "no firearms" policy.

I have pocket carried it in a Kytec Pockit Lockit, ankle carried it (most of the time) in both a Lou Alessie rig but mostly in a DeSantis Apache ( I think I'm on my 5th one) and currently have it on my hip in a Mitch Rosen Clipper. I like the short grip like a PM9 has but the longer barrel of a P9. The night sights that it came with are still bright enough to not need replacing.

I liked the gun so much, I had my pinky finger removed so it wouldn't just hang there with no place to go.

I also carry 2 7 round mags in my left front pocket. That pocket gets nothing else.

I also got a deal on a used CW9 but prefer the Covert.

Finding a kydex holster similer in style and size to my Clipper is a task and I have yet to find one.
I went to the Pennsylvania Great Americaqn Outdoor Show in Harrisburg Pa thinking someone would have this holster so I could handle before buying but left dissapointed.

Great gun. Longer travel and reset but accurate and I like it.

Before I fired a shot, I found the pistol had a double reset, the first of which did not actually reset the system. I called Kahr and talked to Dottie who took the gun back, paid for shipping and gave me a $10 check for my trouble. Turn around was a week. They polished the feed ramp and replaced the trigger components. Great customer service.

Almost forgot to add I was joking about the finger. it came off on the job and was a early retirement injury.

Love the triggers, but I could never get my PM9 to run reliably. I thought I was on a good streak with it as I approached 1000 rounds, and it had been about 300 since the last FTE. Then I went to dispatch an injured animal and had an FTE with my carry ammo. I retired the gun after that. Nice triggers don't mean a thing if they don't go boom when pulled.

I have a P9 I got about 15 years ago used, for a good price. I've never had any problems with the gun, just losing the top round in a loose magazine, so I don't carry them around like that anymore. It really is the easiest gun I have to carry, light, flat, reliable, accurate, enough capacity with a spare mag, and no worries if it gets scratched or worse.

Targa said:

The CM9 is absolutely the best IWB carry gun I have owned.

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Dan-O said:

Never pay msrp.....on anything.....

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I have always wanted one of the small 9mm Kahrs....but the prices always kept me from buying. Since I live in Massachusetts, "you will pay msrp.......and like it!" plus MA state tax of course. (In MA you get double raped). The PM9 was over $800 when it first came out. Last time I looked they were $699+ tax.
And the CM9 is not on the MA approved list. ...making sure bargain hunters and poor persons are discouraged from gun ownership,(it's the MA way)

I only have one Kahr and it's a CM .45 ACP I like it but don't carry it that much.

Own 4 Kahrs now. Big fan of all especially the CM9. IMO it does not get better than this for 9mm EDC concealed carry. So light weight and perfect size.

I posted earlier that I had trouble finding a holster for my P9Covert.
I recently found that Concealment Express had exactly what I was looking for and reasonably priced at under $40 which included tax.
They listed it as a holster to fit a CW9 and I was pretty sure it would also fit the P9 and the Covert model of the P9 so ordered it.
I figured that even if it didn't fit the P9, it would fit my CW9.
So after 16 years, here's the upgrade.

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Very happy as my initial review and fitting of the gun.

27hand said:

I figured that even if it didn't fit the P9, it would fit my CW9.

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I buy holsters for the CW9 because I know my CM/PM9's will fit, too. It sure saves some money on holsters...

The triggers on the steel frames are even better (to me) than the triggers on the polymer frames.

Nuclear said:

The triggers on the steel frames are even better (to me) than the triggers on the polymer frames.

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Are they actually any different though, or are the internals of a CM/CW/PM series the same as the steel frame guns?

Great guns, buttery smooth triggers, crap mags!

Styx said:

Are they actually any different though, or are the internals of a CM/CW/PM series the same as the steel frame guns?

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Remember, the P series uses some forged parts, the C series uses MIM parts... there may be some differences internally. Comparing apples to apples, I can't tell a lick of difference between my CM9 and PM9...

EDIT: I just went back to the safe to compare the two, again. If anything, the CM has a lighter pull than the PM, but it feels like the CM is a wee bit longer... so the part geometry may be a little different. Dunno.

The K9 is my second favorite semi-automatic handgun, just behind the 1911. The MK 9mis a little small, but just the ticket if you need it.

JDGray said:

Great guns, buttery smooth triggers, crap mags!

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They had a time when they did have some bad magazines. That has been quite a while ago. No problems with new mags nor Lakeline Magguts. And yes, a wonderful smooth trigger, they way EDC guns should be IMO.

Ernie Bass said:

They had a time when they did have some bad magazines. That has been quite a while ago. No problems with new mags nor Lakeline Magguts. And yes, a wonderful smooth trigger, they way EDC guns should be IMO.

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I've had zero problems with my 9mm Kahr mags, but on my previous P45, both mag bodies split at the rear weld. My current CW45 mag seems to be holding up OK, but they needed to run the weld all the way up the spine.

9mmepiphany said:

The action parts are the same


There are very few MIM parts in the "C" series...the one that comes to mind is the "lever" of the slide release...none of the stress parts are MIM


I think what you're feeling is more about the flex and clearances in the polymer frame...maybe the interaction between the slide and frame

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I assumed they were the same parts, but there is a different feel to them, for sure. The CM and PM are both poly frame, all else being equal... they should be interchangeable. I didn't mean to suggest all the parts were MIM, I know the slide stop is, but I thought the trigger was, as well? Not sure.

I have had 5 different CW9's... so, all the same-same. They all have/had a slightly different feel to the trigger. In fact, I was buying another NIB CW9 some years ago, and as the clerk was filling out the paperwork, I was looking at the pistol he pulled from stock... you had to pull the trigger all the way to the frame, and then smash it to get the trigger to release... definitely something wrong. Clerk was unhappy when I requested a different pistol.

The steel buttons came out of my followers, and the fit to the bottom of the gun could use some attention. I never had any mag tube issues, but have had all the rounds unload in my pocket before.

I have a K9 and a K40. They have been very reliable with good ammo, chambers seemed a little tight with crappy dept issued reloads, sometimes failed to chamber, with duty factory ammo no issues. They feel like a full size service pistol and are easy to shoot for pistol about the same size as a Walther PPK/s. The DAO triggers are smooth and will appeal to those who like revolvers but want an auto loader.

9mmepiphany said:

I wasn't picking on you, and I'm not now, just clarifying for future readers of this thread.

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I didn't think you were. I reread my post and I can see where what I said could be misinterpreted.

I bought a used PM9 in 2004 or so. Bought a used P45 probably two years later.
Bought a used PM45 probably two years after that.
And then a new CW380 probably four years ago (little while after they came out).

Sold the PM45 after a year or so--thought it would be the perfect compromise size/power wise between the PM9 and the P45, but I never warmed up to it.
Still have all three of the others--pocket carried the PM9 for 5-6 years EDC, then carried the P45 for a year or so, back to the PM9 as the EDC--the P45 sits by my bedside.

In spite of a lot of searching, shooting and buying (and selling) I haven't found anything I like (or shoot) better. I figure I'll try a 365 and a Hellcat, but the additional weight will probably tip the scale (pun very much intended) towards the PM9....

The Kahr is one of the finest pistols made, if for no other reason that it is made to very close tolerances, perhaps the closest tolerances in the industry. Not my opinion, the opinion of a parts contractor making parts for Electric Boat. His carry pistol is a Kahr for that very reason.

Styx said:

Are they actually any different though, or are the internals of a CM/CW/PM series the same as the steel frame guns?

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I think the mechanism is the same but the polymer frame may have some flex. You don't need much to sense it in the trigger, because the motion distances are very small.

I think it may be due to the interaction between the metal trigger parts and the respective frame materials.