Savage axis 2 ( wood stock )

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Skylerbone said:
I wouldn’t say Remington quality is without faults but I own several including one picked up this week, a new 783. The Internet is often fraught with misinformation or misinformed authors of what passes for information. One can demand too much of a cheap Dodge sedan when their comparison is a Rolls Royce.

While Remington has seen a few stumbles with a model or two lately, the 700 line has been a bread and butter staple of reasonable quality and I’ve owned at least 1 example continuously for 30 years. A few came and went funding other interests but not due to bad behavior. Plenty of support down the road in aftermarket and very shootable out of the box. Only a suggestion worth considering while you think things over.
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Thanks, Skylerbone, Don't get me wrong, I have nothing else to go by except what I hear and read. I like both the Savage and Remington, The Savage seems
to have more what I'm looking for in bolt action rifle, thanks for your time and consideration it's appreciated.
 
I've bought 2 axis rifles, one of which is the axis 2. Both were very accurate. Each one I did trigger mods on to smooth out the break, lighten pull weight, and added an overtravel stop screw. The mods improved function, only cost about 4 dollars, and took less than a half hour to do.

The first was a gift for one of my daughters in 243 win, muddy girl camo pattern. The Second was the axis 2 in 223. I used that gun for 2 years shooting paper out to 550 yds. It shot half moa with handloads, fed gold metal match, and hornandy vmax ammo. I gave it to my SIL, new to center fire rifles, for practicing fundamentals of rifle marksmanship.

I miss that rifle some but picked up an m11 in 223 that I like better.

Keep is posted on your rifle search.
 
Skylerbone said:
I wouldn’t say Remington quality is without faults but I own several including one picked up this week, a new 783. The Internet is often fraught with misinformation or misinformed authors of what passes for information. One can demand too much of a cheap Dodge sedan when their comparison is a Rolls Royce.

While Remington has seen a few stumbles with a model or two lately, the 700 line has been a bread and butter staple of reasonable quality and I’ve owned at least 1 example continuously for 30 years. A few came and went funding other interests but not due to bad behavior. Plenty of support down the road in aftermarket and very shootable out of the box. Only a suggestion worth considering while you think things over.
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stillquietvoice said:
I've bought 2 axis rifles, one of which is the axis 2. Both were very accurate. Each one I did trigger mods on to smooth out the break, lighten pull weight, and added an overtravel stop screw. The mods improved function, only cost about 4 dollars, and took less than a half hour to do.

The first was a gift for one of my daughters in 243 win, muddy girl camo pattern. The Second was the axis 2 in 223. I used that gun for 2 years shooting paper out to 550 yds. It shot half moa with handloads, fed gold metal match, and hornandy vmax ammo. I gave it to my SIL, new to center fire rifles, for practicing fundamentals of rifle marksmanship.

I miss that rifle some but picked up an m11 in 223 that I like better.

Keep is posted on your rifle search.
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Hi stillquietvoice, what do you like about Savage 11? I think a wood stock would be accurate then using a plastic stock , I never heard anybody bedding
a synthetic stock .
 
marine one said:
Hi stillquietvoice, what do you like about Savage 11? I think a wood stock would be accurate then using a plastic stock , I never heard anybody bedding
a synthetic stock .
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The receiver is more open than the axis it's easier to remove cartridges or to single feed rounds. The action is a little shorter making scope mounting easier. The tang on the m11is solid whereas the axis floats. You won't notice the float with it mounted in the stock but these are the differences, my preference is the m11 but I would buy another axis if it met my needs.

People still bed synthetic stocks both the axis and m11 synthetic stocks are pillar bedded from factory. I use them as is.
 
marine one said:
I think a wood stock would be accurate then using a plastic stock
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Generally speaking it is the opposite as wood swells, shrinks, has voids, differs in density, and may have an inconsistent grain pattern. Synthetics on the other hand avoid these shortcomings.

The real problem is that most factory composites offer a different set of trade offs. Most have a warp or twist and are too flexible. A bit of sanding and filling can correct these issues however.

Now when it comes to action stiffness, short actions can have an advantage over long actions and the lower tier rifles are using smaller extraction ports to further increase stiffness but at the expense of easy access if there are feedway problems.


Note how small the extraction port is on this 783.
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Another Remington, the 700 with a “traditional” size port. Note that the stock is relieved and the opening extends well under the scope as well.
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And a Winchester Model 70 showing the port visible from the left side.
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doubleh said:
I'm going to add one more thought to this. If you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig. I consider the Axis to be a pig in the rifle world. No matter how much you paint and primp it, it's still a pig, although an accurate one.
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Hi doubleh, I understand what you're saying, but just understand me - I enjoy working, improving on things, making something better. It's not the money - it's the pleasure I get doing it.
 
So do. It's kind of a hobby plus dreaming up things to build and then doing so. I enjoyed the work on my Axis and I consider it more user friendly and nicer than when it came out of the box----but----there are enough things about it I could do nothing about that I still consider it a dressed up pig.
 
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stillquietvoice said:
I've bought 2 axis rifles, one of which is the axis 2. Both were very accurate. Each one I did trigger mods on to smooth out the break, lighten pull weight, and added an overtravel stop screw. The mods improved function, only cost about 4 dollars, and took less than a half hour to do.

The first was a gift for one of my daughters in 243 win, muddy girl camo pattern. The Second was the axis 2 in 223. I used that gun for 2 years shooting paper out to 550 yds. It shot half moa with handloads, fed gold metal match, and hornandy vmax ammo. I gave it to my SIL, new to center fire rifles, for practicing fundamentals of rifle marksmanship.

I miss that rifle some but picked up an m11 in 223 that I like better.

Keep is posted on your rifle search.
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Stillquietvoice, Hi I was looking a m11 savage, can you tell me what you liked about m11? I've looked on internet but they don't tell you to much.
I also would like it in 223 caliper.
 
marine one said:
Stillquietvoice, Hi I was looking a m11 savage, can you tell me what you liked about m11? I've looked on internet but they don't tell you to much.
I also would like it in 223 caliper.
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To start off with mine has a top bolt release, easier to place back in the stock as compared to the more complicated bottom not release. The stock magazine allows for bullets loaded long 2.255" for 68 gr hornandy match bullet. It does have the plastic tab to hold it in, but I haven't had any issues with it. The grip angle fits my hand well. The 1:9 twist has shot moa or better with bullet weights from 50-69 gr. The stock though a little flimsy is pillar bedded and has a criss cross pattern to stiffen it some. It has a 3 position saftey that locks the bolt in position 3 and allows you to unload with the rifle with the safety on.

I got mine used with a rifle basix sav 2 trigger group it breaks at 2.5 lbs.
 
stillquietvoice said:
To start off with mine has a top bolt release, easier to place back in the stock as compared to the more complicated bottom not release. The stock magazine allows for bullets loaded long 2.255" for 68 gr hornandy match bullet. It does have the plastic tab to hold it in, but I haven't had any issues with it. The grip angle fits my hand well. The 1:9 twist has shot moa or better with bullet weights from 50-69 gr. The stock though a little flimsy is pillar bedded and has a criss cross pattern to stiffen it some. It has a 3 position saftey that locks the bolt in position 3 and allows you to unload with the rifle with the safety on.

I got mine used with a rifle basix sav 2 trigger group it breaks at 2.5 lbs.
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Im think real series bout this Savage m11, I wonder if it's possible to convert box magazine to a 10 round drop magazine..I like the idea that m11 in 223
because I have the dies in 223 to reload.
 
I think that after market parts are available to convert or direct from savage from a hot hunter model. Maybe check fleabay...
marine one said:
Im think real series bout this Savage m11, I wonder if it's possible to convert box magazine to a 10 round drop magazine..I like the idea that m11 in 223
because I have the dies in 223 to reload.
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stillquietvoice said:
To start off with mine has a top bolt release, easier to place back in the stock as compared to the more complicated bottom not release. The stock magazine allows for bullets loaded long 2.255" for 68 gr hornandy match bullet. It does have the plastic tab to hold it in, but I haven't had any issues with it. The grip angle fits my hand well. The 1:9 twist has shot moa or better with bullet weights from 50-69 gr. The stock though a little flimsy is pillar bedded and has a criss cross pattern to stiffen it some. It has a 3 position saftey that locks the bolt in position 3 and allows you to unload with the rifle with the safety on.

I got mine used with a rifle basix sav 2 trigger group it breaks at 2.5 lbs.
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PS- did you know that you can stiffen the front end of stock with JB weld or other products and add pellets to the mixture to stiffen and will add a little
weight.
 
marine one said:
PS- did you know that you can stiffen the front end of stock with JB weld or other products and add pellets to the mixture to stiffen and will add a little
weight.
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Yes I've done this on several others, but not this one yet. I've even used fiberglass bolts cut to length and used job weld to really stiffen up the fore ends.
 
stillquietvoice said:
Yes I've done this on several others, but not this one yet. I've even used fiberglass bolts cut to length and used job weld to really stiffen up the fore ends.
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I forgot to ask, what you thought about the Savage model 110 in 223 caliper? I wander if it's any different then m11...There asking 640$ at Bud's
, It also has a long action.
 
The 110 is a long action. Are you talking about the 10/110 hunter? Same basic action and barrel with adjustable stock.

marine one said:
I forgot to ask, what you thought about the Savage model 110 in 223 caliper? I wander if it's any different then m11...There asking 640$ at Bud's
, It also has a long action.
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I will add that I'm not real familiar with this stock design, I've had wood stocks from the 90's and several generations of synthetic stocks.
 
Lipstick on a pig comes to mind, but that is unfair.

The Axis II is an accurate rifle, the chief attribute of which is extreme value for money. Dressing it up and spending money on it seems like putting an in-ground pool next to the double-wide.

Your consideration of other Savage models seems sage. Good luck.
 
marine one said:
zdc, what made you chose Ruger?
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Mainly the accuracy and AR mag. This would be the 4th American that I have had. All three of the others, 308 7mm-08 and 223, were capable of shooting at least MOA with quality ammo and the handloads I developed for both the 223 and 7mm-08 were closer to 1/2 moa. I sold the 308 to a friend so he would have a hunting rifle and only sold the 223 because I wanted to get the AR mag version.
 
zdc1775 said:
Mainly the accuracy and AR mag. This would be the 4th American that I have had. All three of the others, 308 7mm-08 and 223, were capable of shooting at least MOA with quality ammo and the handloads I developed for both the 223 and 7mm-08 were closer to 1/2 moa. I sold the 308 to a friend so he would have a hunting rifle and only sold the 223 because I wanted to get the AR mag version.
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Just a heads up, unless they released a new one Boyd's doesnt have a stock that fits the AR mag version of the Predator. That was one of a few things that made me end up going with my Weatherby over a RA Predator.

Addendum: Just looked, apparently they did release one! That's a big win for the Predator. The stock was the main complaint I've read (even though it isn't THAT bad as polymer stocks go by most accounts). Having that option makes it very appealing.
 
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BigBL87 said:
Just a heads up, unless they released a new one Boyd's doesnt have a stock that fits the AR mag version of the Predator. That was one of a few things that made me end up going with my Weatherby over a RA Predator.

Addendum: Just looked, apparently they did release one! That's a big win for the Predator. The stock was the main complaint I've read (even though it isn't THAT bad as polymer stocks go by most accounts). Having that option makes it very appealing.
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Them releasing that version of the stock is what led me to sell the one I already had. And the stock wasn't particularity bad for most things but was flimsy enough that using a bipod did affect accuracy.
 
marine one said:
Stillquieitevoice, As of now 4/1/20 I've decided to get the model 11 #19576, replace the stock with either a Choate or Boyd. The caliper will be 223.
Somehow I'll sell or get rid of the scope and rings.
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Nice choice! Is that the regular/sporter barrel version? Tried to find the model number but couldn't, closest I could find was 19676, which is the Trophy Hunter model. If it is the sporter barrel, I'd avoid the Choate if you care about looks at all. The barrel channel is HUGE and would look wierd with a sporter profile barrel. Boyd's would probably look good, Hogue might be another option if you wanted to go with something other than wood and didn't want to spend alot. Their Overmold material isn't for everybody though. Lots of other stock options out there besides those two but they get pricier, when I got my Hogue I was looking at Bell & Carlson before I got the Hogue super cheap.

Addendum:
I did find this for that model number, but guessing this isn't it since you mentioned a scope and rings.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/mobile/product/719007857/redirect
 
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