Appendix carry of firearms.

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I carried IWB for years in a leather holster I made myself. All this talk about reholstering made me question it so I paid for a custom kydex rig. It was very nicely made but never quite as comfortable as the leather one and it didn’t conceal quite as well either.

My thinking about reholsteing is that I will keep my gun in my hand until such time as I am certain the shooting is over. Then I will unclip my holster, insert the gun and put the whole deal back into my pants. If I should absolutely have to put the gun away I will stick it in my back pocket with my wallet until I can safely remove my holster. I carry a DA gun so I’m less scared about snagging the trigger than if I carried a suicide rod like a Glock :D
 
Here's a useful write up: https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/appendix-carry-thousands-of-thugs-cant-be-wrong

Doesn't work for my body. Note that some competitions don't allow it for safety reasons, esp. fearing newbies who think it is cool and haven't put in the time, won't have a ball at the match. This is a common argument among competition types about whose game stinks.

Good article, though I would restate that a gun holstered at 2:00 doesn't point at either your genitals or femoral artery.
 
Note that some competitions don't allow it for safety reasons, esp. fearing newbies who think it is cool and haven't put in the time, won't have a ball at the match. This is a common argument among competition types about whose game stinks.
Some established training sites ("gun schools") don't allow it either.
 
Never used to, and I still carry primarily in a pocket holster either in the front pocket of my shorts or the rear pocket of jeans, but recently lost about 60lbs, and now find that iwb at about 1:00 works very well with my Taurus tcp. Carring at work, concealment is paramount, and in the cooler months wearing slacks, that 1:00 carry is perfect, and now pretty comfortable whether sitting, standing or walking. A little unnerving at first as the muzzle is most definitely pointed at some pretty sensitive equipment, but I have enough experience carrying that same pistol that it's not too much of a concern. Plus, it doesn't get unholstered and reholstered on my person. The gun comes out of the nightstand, into the holster, then the whole rig goes on my belt, and the reverse at night
 
I've seen one guy at an IDPA match that ran a straight up 12OC AC with a G17. He claimed the rules allowed it and the match coordinator didnt give him any grief.

When he holstered he arched his back way back and stuck his pelvis way out. Kind of funny to watch.

AC certainly isnt for me but it's a free country...at least for a few more months.
 
true, but I expect that to change here in a few years.
Yeah, uh, no. I don't. The draw is awkward at best, there's more than one motion to get the handgun pointed downrange, and the risks seem to outweigh the benefits. As a member of national and state organizations of law enforcement firearms instructors, I'm not getting that there's any consensus that appendix carry is a supported method of concealed carry.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ny-ortiz-instructors-final-lesson/4888250002/
Yes, there's nothing better for concealment.
Many of us would disagree. Even if your supposition were true, for many of us, safety would absolutely trump concealment.
 
Yeah, uh, no. I don't. The draw is awkward at best, there's more than one motion to get the handgun pointed downrange, and the risks seem to outweigh the benefits. As a member of national and state organizations of law enforcement firearms instructors, I'm not getting that there's any consensus that appendix carry is a supported method of concealed carry.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ny-ortiz-instructors-final-lesson/4888250002/
I don't find the draw anymore awkward than 3 o clock strongside. Now, that being said my "appendix" carry holster rides at 1:30-2 oclock.

I can't speak to the law enforcement training institutions, but privately, we already have a number of companies adopting Appendix carry in their classes.
John Lovell of Warrior Poet Society is one.

You have my respect and I am happy to agree to disagree, Old Dog.

Many of us would disagree. Even if your supposition were true, for many of us, safety would absolutely trump concealment.
Yeah... I think traditional 4 o clock carry will be the king of concealment for a while yet, but I do find appendix carry offers faster draw speeds.
 
I can't speak to the law enforcement training institutions, but privately, we already have a number of companies adopting Appendix carry in their classes.
John Lovell of Warrior Poet Society is one.
Yep, Pat MacNamara as well. There are some guys out there for whom I have a lot of respect who are fans off appendix carry. Perhaps I'm just a fossil who doesn't want to adapt to something new, but I can't get past some of the very real, inherent risks of this mode of carry.
You have my respect and I am happy to agree to disagree, Old Dog.
Respect back at you, brother. We don't always have to agree.
 
Respect back at you, brother. We don't always have to agree.

Just imagine the world issues that could be solved with this mindset.

There is no one mode of carry for everyone. I know folks who appendix carry a Glock 19, power to them. I could not carry something that size and weight on (typically single clip) an appendix holster. For me right now it only works for one firearm. I have tried carrying smaller firearms AIWB and they just didn't feel right, even though they are smaller than what I carry there now.
 
Its by far the easiest and quickest way for me to draw/carry. I am slowly warming up to the glock in that position but have no issue at all with a revolver.
 
Why would you do this?
Easier to conceal, much easier to protect the gun from someone grabbing it, faster draw, more comfortable to carry in some situations, does not require larger pants or adjusting of belt length for many people.
Is it comfortable when sitting or bending over?
It's not bad, if you're in decent shape. If you're fat, it doesn't work as well. Depends what you're doing. I don't carry that way if I'm doing something that requires lots of bending and lifting items in front of me.
Doesn’t it violate one of the gun safety rules?
Yes. That rule is poorly worded, confusing and not physically possible to follow all the time.

IMO, appendix carry (just like every other method of carry) is ideal for certain people in certain situations.
 
Why would you do this?
Is it comfortable when sitting or bending over?
Doesn’t it violate one of the gun safety rules?
Who here carry’s that way and what do you find to be the advantages?

I will preface this by saying that my default “primary handgun” carry, in normal conditions, is conventional OWB, at or nearly muzzle-vertical. I am not trying to convert anyone to AIWB carry.

1. Why would I do this? Well, it can provide a solution to carrying some firearms, in some situations, in a very physically-defensible place on my body.

2. Is it comfortable? Well, it depends. There is a natural hollow, in the area of the inguinal crease, so, the more the weapon conforms to the shape of this hollow area, the better the comfort factor. On my body, that generally means revolvers work better, and, the smaller, the better. Blocky pistols, especially with accessory rails, just do not work for me, inside my trousers, forward of the points of the hip bones.

3. Does “it” violate one of the gun safety rules? I will first say that every holster “points” the holstered weapon at someone, or some thing, at some times. Even if my holster is a duty rig, at 0300, with zero degrees of rake or cant, the muzzle will orient itself toward someone, in such environments as a multi-story building. Assuming a covered trigger guard, and proper function of the fire control parts, such holstered weapons do not fire themselves, so these risks are usually deemed acceptable. I will assert that it is generally possible to insert the weapon into the AIWB holster in such as way that the muzzle does not point at any part of one’s anatomy. There will, after insertion, be incidental movement of one’s body parts into the “path” of the holstered weapon, but I could say the same of other holsters, too, especially ankle rigs, but even many “conventional” hip holsters, too. I take the “rule” to mean that one does not hold a gun, with one’s hand, while pointing it in an unsafe direction.

4. I, here, have carried AIWB. The advantages, as I indicated above, are that it allows some firearms to be better concealed in some situations, in a position that has some advantages in defending the weapon. “Defending” includes warding-off undesired discovery-by-contact, as contact with one’s inguinal-to-crotch area is generally considered provocative.

Having said this, I am more likely to want to use the inguinal crease area to carry a spare magazine, and/or a blade, than a firearm.

I will add that holstering a firearm, into ANY holster, is safer if my thumb can “ride” the back of a hammer, or, in case of Condition One pistols, ride the top of the hammer. There is a device made for some striker pistols that provides a similar safety advantage.
 
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I used to dislike appendix simply because of where it’s pointed at, but it really does have some advantages. If you wear your shirt with it untucked printing isn’t much of an issue. Gun grabs from people behind or to the side of you are tougher. It’s easier to protect the pistol.

I use a kydex holster and while it can deform it’s less likely than with leather. The holster I use has a large clip, if I’m driving and it gets uncomfortable I just unclip it. I’ve actually grown pretty used to it. I’m 47, but I’m not carrying around a lot of baggage upfront though.

I also don’t reholster with the holster still attached. I take the holster off and then put the pistol back in. Not an issue.

Even with a light attached I’m still carrying appendix. I can understand if people don’t want to give it a try, whatever, that’s fine. Just saying it does have some advantages.
 
Its by far the easiest and quickest way for me to draw/carry. I am slowly warming up to the glock in that position but have no issue at all with a revolver.
It's really your fastest draw? That surprises me. I've carries a BUG appendix and my main at 3:30 nearly the entire time I have carried (a short, stupid, jaunt with small of the back is where I started, and a shorter jaunt with pocket carry) and I am hands down, way way way faster off the 3:30 over appendix. Like, no comparison. Whole tenths of a second different.
It is decidedly faster than small of the back though, or ankle, so it's still better than nothing.
 
It's really your fastest draw? That surprises me. I've carries a BUG appendix and my main at 3:30 nearly the entire time I have carried (a short, stupid, jaunt with small of the back is where I started, and a shorter jaunt with pocket carry) and I am hands down, way way way faster off the 3:30 over appendix. Like, no comparison. Whole tenths of a second different.
It is decidedly faster than small of the back though, or ankle, so it's still better than nothing.

If we are talking OWB 3:00 then AIWB is slower. If I’m wearing it IWB with a button down shirt over it... AIWB is quicker.

I’m about 190 at 6’ so could stand to lose the beer gut because I have a slim build otherwise. But In really can’t conceal an OWB holster with how I dress.

I mostly like have the gun in front of me when Im in line, shopping, etc.
 
It's really your fastest draw? That surprises me. I've carries a BUG appendix and my main at 3:30 nearly the entire time I have carried (a short, stupid, jaunt with small of the back is where I started, and a shorter jaunt with pocket carry) and I am hands down, way way way faster off the 3:30 over appendix. Like, no comparison. Whole tenths of a second different.
If your BUG is a smaller gun, that would explain that difference. Otherwise, you're just the exception to the rule. All else being equal (IWB, concealed by the same shirt, etc) appendix is far faster for most people.
 
Last April I took a firearms course in Tenn. and it was run by and with some of the best trained and real world shooters I have had the privilege to meet & shoot alongside.

More than a few of them shot HIGH SPEED from the AC carry possession and I was to say the least ,highly impressed.

One of these shooters was a ranked competition shooter ,and he was FAST as hell and accurate as all get out ---- and carried and shot from the AC.

I do not carry that way,and do not feel comfortable with that either.

I am shorter,and a bit fatter than those young guns,but it was a lesson I will not forget.
 
That guy shot himself with a DA gun. You really have to work at it to accomplish that.
Holy cow!
Watch the video in the linked article at
https://concealednation.org/2019/02...hoots-himself-while-attempting-to-re-holster/
and you will see the shooter bobbling a loaded gun all around with one hand, no firm grip on the gun, no attempt to use two hands, nearly dropping it a couple of times, and using a pocket holster that does not seem to cover the trigger guard areas at all. That level of care in handling the gun definitely emphasizes the word negligence in ND.
 
I’m not at all against it. Better people than I swear by the method. I spend way too much windshield time to have a gun up front. However, I like that 2:00-3:00 area for standard IWB.
 
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