A fun thread, what weird wildcat do YOU wish was on the market and popular?

A 30 Gibbs would be great .

horsemen61 said:

6.5 wsm*

*its the 300 wsm necked down to 26 cal


6.5-06 30 degree shoulder*

*it will have the same shoulder as a 6.5 Creedmoor

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6.5 RSAUM

There are tons of what I'd call over-the-counter 22 to 30 centerfires that fill pretty much all the regular slots. I want something we do not have available: cheap big bores. Anything bigger than 35 rhat's not 45-70 is either rare or priced rare.

In a crazy world all where funky wildcats are on every shelf and priced like 12 guage I'll take a 375 Whelen Improved & 411 Hawk in 9 pound walnut stocked model 70s to go with a dozen boxes of shells, please. Here's my $600 thank you.

One that I would really like to see is both a wildcat and a modest modification on a common action. The action is a Winchester 1886/71 action "stretched" by about 2-3 tenths of an inch. The cartridges would simply be .45-90 and .50-110 but with the overall length increased by the same amount. No change to the brass.

It's already possible to get very close to safari rifle level performance from the .45-90 and .50-110 but due to the somewhat small case volume they're very sensitive to OAL and bullet profile. With the additional length you would be able to easily run dangerous game bullets at appropriate velocities without playing as many tricks and with less powder compression.

Anyone who has used .50 Alaskan for its intended purpose understands the dramatic advantages lever actions have in terms of speed relative to bolt actions and cost and capacity relative to doubles for dangerous game. But the loads are just a bit lacking in umph. This would fix that.

I really like the mad dog weapon systems wildcats.
Particularly the 277 wolverine ( 223 necked up) and 358 yeti (think how a 300 blackout is made, but use a 308 and chop and neck to .357 Cal)

Also the 350 ar max should be on the market, not the stupid 350 legend.

I also like the 25-45 sharps
And I'd love to see 9x19 turned into a true straight wall caliber. 9.2mm or something. It would be so much easier to reload.....

Well, maybe not one that will become a factory round. I made this years back when Polish jokes were still PC.. It a round for a Polish Dueling Pistol.

45/357 PDP

Iggy said:

Well, maybe not one that will become a factory round. I made this years back when Polish jokes were still PC.. It a round for a Polish Dueling Pistol.
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45/357 PDP

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I did similar a few years ago loading 40 S&W, A 38 Super got in the mix and the old Dillon XL 650 loaded that with a 180gr 40 bullet just as smooth as a 40S&W case. Look like a less extreme version of yours. I was tempted to even shoot it just because. Found it when chamber checking my ammo.

I'm a really big fan of the 327. In the same spirit I'd like to see the same done with 32ACP they did with the 32H&R. Lengthen the case a wee bit, ditch the semi rim, and bump up the pressure to get energy between 380ACP and 9mm. I bet you would have a nice micro/compact pistol round that would also give good capacity. I don't know enough about the subtleties of cartridge development to know if this would even work but hey we are dreaming right?

I have often wanted a 32super.

Demi-human said:

I have often wanted a 32super.

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Dang now I even have a neat name for it. Maybe I will have to learn about wildcatting.

I've been wondering what a .40 Cal 140 grain at about 850fps would be like out of a sub compact pistol would be like. Kind of a Makarov for the people who need a caliber that starts with four.

Alright I've probably been in the house too long might have to go grocery shopping or something before I cook up anything more harebrained.

Take a 22 Jet and blow the case out like a 22 Hornet to K Hornet. It is called the 22 Super Jet, 22 Cotterman, 22 Jet Improved or 22-357 Magnum improved.

Fyrstyk said:

444 marlin necked down to .357. Would be an awesome deer round, but alas, there are soo many good deer rounds now we don't really need any more.

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.358 JDJ is what you're looking for. SSK and Bulberry have info on it.

Stay safe.

Brian Williams said:

Take a 22 Jet and blow the case out like a 22 Hornet to K Hornet. It is called the 22 Super Jet, 22 Cotterman, 22 Jet Improved or 22-357 Magnum improved.
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That probably wouldn't back out and tie up the guns as bad as the S&W Model 53 Jet was rumored to do.

I've only seen one 53 in a LGS case, about 18 months ago. It had all the inserts for .22 LR I believe, and it was in NIB looking shape. If I recall correctly the barrel said "22 MAGNUM'" on it, not .22 JET , which I thought was rather odd.

I never fired it, nor will I as I didn't have the $2,000 they were asking for it.

Stay safe.

edwardware said:

Ye gads that's the hard way around, forming .35Rem from .308 parent brass, but it IS possible.

I'd start with .308, trim 1.8, seat a ~.44 caliber bullet. . . and call it a .454 Casull Rimless.

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Hmmm, at 1.3" you have a .44 Auto Mag...so this would be almost like a .44 Super-Auto Mag... It would make the grip too big for a semi-auto handgun but in a BFR-type handgun or a AR rifle it would thump along nicely.

Stay safe.

4570Tom said:

Elkins45: "The 308 has been necked up to 338 Federal and 358 Winchester. It's been necked down to 7mm-08 and 243. I wish there were a standardized 25 caliber version."


I have wondered that too.

With the .308 and 30-06 relationship you have:
308 Win and 30-06
358 Win and 35 Whelan
7mm-08 and 280 Rem

But...
?? and 25-06
260 Rem and ??
?? and 270 Win

Somebody must have stuck 25 caliber and 270 caliber bullets in a 308 case, and somebody else must have done the same with 6.5 bullets in a 30-06 case.

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The 6.5-06 has been around for quite a while. I believe A-Square loads for it. If not now, they used to. I was considering that round when building a rifle almost 20 years ago. Ended up choosing the 6.5x.284.

Wyman

JWF III said:

The 6.5-06 has been around for quite a while. I believe A-Square loads for it. If not now, they used to. I was considering that round when building a rifle almost 20 years ago. Ended up choosing the 6.5x.284.

Wyman

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The A-Square company as you may remember has been dissolved and the rights to it have been purchased by Sharps. Sharps is more focused on the AR market presently and their 25-45 cartridge. A little search has shown that Sharps may make A-Square ammo still but it does not list the 6.5-06.

You are right though. A-Square did load for 6.5-06 and got the cartridge SAAMI standardized.

How about a this one? A 9mm necked down to .30. We’ll call it the .327 Sig! It’s catchier than 327 Small Block.
Less recoil, in already high capacity pistols.
Using range pick- up cases and inexpensive bullets.
Magnum speeds and penetration, well manner pistols.

Co-developed with @TTv2 .

Demi-human said:

How about a this one? A 9mm necked down to .30.

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Isn't that basically what a 7.62x25 Tok is? If so then I'm all in bringing Tok back into modern production pistols and sub guns.

I’m not sure. I’m but a novice, with less interest in Combloc things. (There’s so much to learn from the Atlantic and Mediterranean area I haven’t made it across Budapest yet!)

No doubt it would be shorter, got to use up that range brass Nine Millimeter.

I looked up the Tokarev. That’s more like the .327 Magnum! An MP5 chambered in that would be quite formidable!

From the title, I see a flaw in the premise. If I had a favorite wildcat, I wouldn't much care if it was popular as long as it was available.
If it was "popular" would it be a "wildcat"?

None of which prevents it from being a fun question to ask, and a fascinating premise to visit.

Demi-human said:

How about a this one? A 9mm necked down to .30. We’ll call it the .327 Sig! It’s catchier than 327 Small Block.
Less recoil, in already high capacity pistols.
Using range pick- up cases and inexpensive bullets.
Magnum speeds and penetration, well manner pistols.

Co-developed with @TTv2 .

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Inexpensive bullets, indeed if we're talking Berry's, but they have a top recommended velocity of 1250 fps and I would think the case capacity of 9mm would push it well above that.

I think .32 NAA is more sensible. Enough velocity to cause hollow point expansion, but not so much to cause over expansion and reduced penetration or stripping the copper off plated bullets. Also, I quite like the idea of a high velocity bottleneck that can fit in LCP size pistols that uses a fairly common case in .380 for forming the brass.

TTv2 said:

and I would think the case capacity of 9mm would push it well above that.

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There’s only one way to find out.

TTv2 said:

Also, I quite like the idea of a high velocity bottleneck that can fit in LCP size pistols that uses a fairly common case in .380 for forming the brass.

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I’ll just have to get a thirty caliber barrel for my Sig P938, a custom reamer and some dies, pistol type thirty caliber bullets...


Or maybe we could find someone with quick load.

Maybe use 110grn V-Max bullets in a fast twist barrel! That may be fun...