Why would anyone so believe?I don't think smaller equally placed bullets would have generated a better result.
Why would anyone so believe?I don't think smaller equally placed bullets would have generated a better result.
I agree with the assessment that bullets in any other common handgun caliber would likely have had a similar effect had they hit the exact same places at the exact same times.
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Why would anyone so believe?
No one can, but from other known facts, we can reasonably conclude that there is no basis for believing that other service loads would necessarily behaved differently with identical entry wound locations and angles.How can one possibly make such an assessment from that video?
The question was why anyone would believe that smaller bullets would be more effective.Why would anybody not?
The question was why anyone would believe that smaller bullets would be more effective.
No one can, but from other known facts, we can reasonably conclude that there is no basis for believing that other service loads would necessarily behaved differently with identical entry wound locations and angles.
You "skinny guys" can get away with that........us old fat guys can't....................Must be stuck at home. What?
Yes, a Glock 19/23 size pistol is easily concealed under a untucked polo or button up shirt, plaid, stripe, or pattern helps break any slight bulge.
I've had concealed carry for 25+ years.
I'm retired and can dress as I choose, so limitation of "work attire" is not a issue anymore.
I've not carried a smaller primary than Glock 19/23 size pistol two+ years and that includes two mile walks with my dogs, and when moving stuff (boxes / furniture) to a new house.
Glock 23 strong side IWB in "summer attire"
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Glock 21SF AIWB in "summer attire" - its there.
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Why would anyone so believe?
Caliber isnt as important as shot placement and round count, within reason.
Two to the body and one to the head should be an integral part of training for anyone that trains. While a volley of well placed COM shots is good this video shows that it doesnt always stop the threat in a timely manner.
Capacity should more of a concern than it currently is overall in the SD world but some folks you just wont convince no matter the real world footage or reads.
This seems good advice for military training, where the purpose is to kill. However, we have for years been advised that for civilian self-defense our purpose is to "stop the threat," not to kill. If, after a successful (bad guy down, number and severity of victims minimized) SD encounter, we land in a courtroom, documenting that form of training would hand the opposing counsel on a platter the argument, "See, the defendant has been itching for years to kill someone, and finally saw the opportunity."Two to the body and one to the head should be an integral part of training for anyone that trains.
NOT saying it can't be done. I can 'carry' my Glock 17 too..I also have a cross draw holster for my Uberti/Beretta BirdsHead revolver. BUT 'stuck at home' meaning another caliber discussion complete with a video. Great that you have a choice that works for you. Not only carry but also fun to shoot(it IS fun to shoot, yes?), reliable, what you consider important to you BUT I know guy who has a CCWP, and a REALLY nice CZ..does he carry it?Must be stuck at home. What?
Yes, a Glock 19/23 size pistol is easily concealed under a untucked polo or button up shirt, plaid, stripe, or pattern helps break any slight bulge.
I've had concealed carry for 25+ years.
I'm retired and can dress as I choose, so limitation of "work attire" is not a issue anymore.
I've not carried a smaller primary than Glock 19/23 size pistol two+ years and that includes two mile walks with my dogs, and when moving stuff (boxes / furniture) to a new house.
Sure there are. Where have you been?There are no facts that support smaller, less powerful being as effective as larger more powerful rounds.
It would be ludicrus to choose a round that is fully 20% less likely to do the job (with a good torso shot) when recoil betweent the two is pretty equal. I use the stats for the purposes of choosing X weight/brand/style over Y weight/brand/style nothing more nothing less.
The problem use of S&M even as you describe is ludicrous. Their stats (and I use that term very loosely) do not even give you the information you evidently are attempting to derive from it--S&M's "data" is at best misleading, and more accurately totally deceptive.
An example of how S&M works:
They have 100 samples of Cartridge A. Of the 100 samples, 70 fail to meet S&M's rather nebulous "criteria." Of the remaining 30 samples 27 were unobstructed thoracic cavity hits that resulted in "one shot stops" by S&M. No other "torso" hits (S&M criteria) resulted in stops. According to S&M, Cartridge A is 90% effective.
They have 100 samples of Cartridge B. Of the 100 samples, 50 do not meet S&M "criteria." Of the remaining 50 samples, 27 were unobstructed thoracic hits and resulted in "one shot stops." In addition to the 27 unobstructed thoracic cavity hits, there were 13 other "torso" hits that also resulted in "one shot stops." According to S&M, Cartridge B is is 80% effective.
Which one, Cartridge A or Cartridge B, was really the most effective on the "street?" Cartridge A with 27 unobstructed thoracic cavity hits rated 90% by S&M; or Cartridge B with 27 unobstructed thoracic cavity hits and 13 peripheral hits resulting in a "stop") rated 80% by S&M?
Folks, that's how S&M work.
When you look at the raw data (which of course S&M won't let you see), I see that in reality on the street Cartridge A, which they rate a 90%, really worked only about 27% of the time, and Cartridge B, which they rate at 80%, really worked about 40% of the time.
NOT saying it can't be done. I can 'carry' my Glock 17 too..I also have a cross draw holster for my Uberti/Beretta BirdsHead revolver. BUT 'stuck at home' meaning another caliber discussion complete with a video. Great that you have a choice that works for you. Not only carry but also fun to shoot(it IS fun to shoot, yes?), reliable, what you consider important to you BUT I know guy who has a CCWP, and a REALLY nice CZ..does he carry it?
'Nope, it's just so dern big", plus, "we live in such a safe area..no need"...
BUT, put 5 people in a room and ask abut caliber/gun/capacity to carry, get 2 or 3 dozen opinions.
caliber is no substitute for poor shot placement.
Nor is volume of fire (in response to "caliber is no substitute for shot placement"])
Yes indeed.Each shooting encounter is different.
That may be--or not.Most folks get shot, once or twice, their priorities change...