.223 Remington R-15 Predator vs. ?

SavingNolanRyan · Apr 25, 2020

I didn’t think I wanted an AR style rifle but after shooting an M4 Carbine at a rifle class I have to say I enjoyed it very much. I think if one considers an AR 15 style rifle a fighting defensive rifle and say a bolt action a more traditional hunting platform. I am looking for some thing that is in between and leaning toward a hunter in semi auto. The R15 seems like a good mix. Mini 14 seems like another.

I am sure there is a full militarized AR that might be a great hunter too. I am just looking at options now that would be a semi auto .223 hunter. If the Mini14 was a bit more accurate I might look at it a little closer.

thoughts on the Remington? Mini14? Other?

Mike

FL-NC · Apr 26, 2020

The mini is overpriced for what it is, its lack of accuracy, lack of options for customization, and price and availability of magazines. IMO, they are a good alternative for rifles like the AR in states where the AR has been deemed "too evil" for the citizenry to own. I had a Remington R25 (308) when they first came out, and I was not impressed. Didn't keep it for long. Palmetto State Armory is probably the best thing going for reasonably priced AR15's, whether a complete rifle, kit, or "cherry picking" uppers, lowers, and other components for a "custom build".

Varminterror · Apr 26, 2020

If you gave me a Mini, I would sell it. A bunch of Fudds, and others who are forced to Mini’s by local politics will defend them, but they really aren’t a rifle to be compared to an AR, especially in this modern market.

I would not buy a Remington AR-15 today. Remington quit making AR’s and closed its subsidiaries related to the AR market (closed completely DPMS, Bushmaster, Tapco, and Storm Lake barrels). They’re too leveraged in liabilities after they lost the SCOTUS decision which allows them to be held accountable for crimes committed by youths because of their youth-targeted advertising of the past - effectively forever onward - so they completely closed those businesses, deleting some of their liabilities. Such, 1) any issue you might have in the future can’t be satisfactorily resolved with their lifetime warranty, and 2) I really wouldn’t personally want to support such a poorly managed, and cowardly business unit as the Remington Group.

Thirdly, there are far better rifles available in the market at that price point.

So neither would be on my hit-list.

SavingNolanRyan · Apr 26, 2020

I live in California which is why an AR is not as easy of a choice as the rest of the country. That said....is a Featureless AR the way to go or is there something along the lines of the R15/mini 14 that would be something to look at?

earlthegoat2 · Apr 26, 2020

Get a featureless AR before a Mini. The bones and guts are still the same so the accuracy potential is the same.

mcb · Apr 26, 2020

Remington has not made the R-15 for roughly 2-years and the Remington Outdoor Company got completely out of the AR market when they shutdown Bushmaster and DPMS at the beginning of this years. If you find and R-15 it will be used or old-new-stock.

Varminterror said:
If you gave me a Mini, I would sell it. A bunch of Fudds, and others who are forced to Mini’s by local politics will defend them, but they really aren’t a rifle to be compared to an AR, especially in this modern market.

I would not buy a Remington AR-15 today. Remington quit making AR’s and closed its subsidiaries related to the AR market (closed completely DPMS, Bushmaster, Tapco, and Storm Lake barrels). They’re too leveraged in liabilities after they lost the SCOTUS decision which allows them to be held accountable for crimes committed by youths because of their youth-targeted advertising of the past - effectively forever onward - so they completely closed those businesses, deleting some of their liabilities. Such, 1) any issue you might have in the future can’t be satisfactorily resolved with their lifetime warranty, and 2) I really wouldn’t personally want to support such a poorly managed, and cowardly business unit as the Remington Group.

Thirdly, there are far better rifles available in the market at that price point.

So neither would be on my hit-list.

The court case against Remington/Bushmaster is not as bad as you would indicate. It is still bad but nearly all the counts lawsuit was thrown out of court by a lower court. The only thing Remington/Bushmaster is still being tried for is one or two counts related to the marketing. The case is still being tried. The SCOTUS bid to stop the lawsuit was always a long shot but one that did not cost them much (relatively) to try.

The rest of your post I agree with. There is not much left at Remington especially in their MSR group.

SavingNolanRyan · Apr 26, 2020

I have to spend some time learning about uppers and lowers and barrels. Where to begin?

earlthegoat2 · Apr 26, 2020

The cheapest lowers will usually do fine. Barrel, bolt/BCG, and trigger is where to pay the closest attention to and usually spend the most.

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