Gtscotty
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Yep...
Press 1 to have a no-knock warrant executed on your house.
Press 2 to have someone begrudgingly mutter "Still pending" at you.
No other options.
So what's the current wait time?
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Yep...
Press 1 to have a no-knock warrant executed on your house.
Press 2 to have someone begrudgingly mutter "Still pending" at you.
No other options.
We are currently seeing trust (single person) form 4s coming in around 10-11 months after submission.
Jwbfx4
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Check cashed 6/20/19. Approved 3/31/20, still waiting on the stamp to arrive.
dogtown tom
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I received seven stamps today, four for one guy.
All were issued to Single Shot Trusts (different trust name for each F4)
Oldest was June 11th, 2019
Newest was February 5th, 2020
All were issued to Single Shot Trusts (different trust name for each F4)
Oldest was June 11th, 2019
Newest was February 5th, 2020
MachIVshooter
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The wait times are simply a product of the massive increase in popularity of suppressors.
In 2012, there were 360K silencers registered in the United States. In 2019, that number was 1.75 million. That's a nearly 500% increase in just 7 years, and the aggregate of 2012 was the result of 78 years (minus those destroyed and struck from the registry). And the trend isn't slowing down.
In 2012, there were 360K silencers registered in the United States. In 2019, that number was 1.75 million. That's a nearly 500% increase in just 7 years, and the aggregate of 2012 was the result of 78 years (minus those destroyed and struck from the registry). And the trend isn't slowing down.
dogtown tom
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+1
Couple that massive increase with:
-insufficient staffing of NFA Examiners (not the fault of ATF, but Congress)
-outdated processing systems (paper forms still being used in 2020......ATF's inability to process all forms electronically)
-FBI vs ATF NFA Branch infighting over who is responsible for the background check and delays in processing those checks.
FL-NC
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Mine was approved 6 April. I still don't have it. When I talked to those people last week, they said it COULD take up to 30 days after approval. If it isn't in today's mail I would definitely call them.
FL-NC
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Sounds like excuses to me. They are a regulatory agency with no desire to operate efficiently to provide services. If you want to obtain these things legally, you are required by law to work through this agency. And let's call it what it is- they don't really want you to have the device. If my LGS can approve me through the FBI in a few minutes to obtain a firearm by the use of modern IT enablers, there is no reason they need 10 months or more to do the same thing once a packet and ransom check has been received.
dogtown tom
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Horsehockey....it would be excuses if ATF was saying that, they aren't.
Five minutes of research and you'll find that ATF has requested additional NFA Examiners in their budget at every opportunity. But anything firearms related is a low priority with Congress so they dont get what they want.
Again, horsehockey.
In case you've been napping, ATF HAS increased efficiency. ELECTRONIC Form 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 9, 10 and 5330......only the Form 4 remains as "paper only". While I'm dissapointed with that one remaining Form........most certainly ATF has increased efficiency.
To be clear, ATF doesn't really give a rats rear end whether you have NFA toys or not and whether they "don't really want you to have the device" is immaterial.........you pay the tax, submit the form, pass the background check, you will get the stamp. CONGRESS is the one who passed the National Firearms Act. Blaming a government agency for administering a federal law is kind of silly. Blame Congress, blame the judiciary.
Really?
How much reading have you done on the NFA process?
The months long delay has less to do with the background check than it does with data entry of paper forms.
eForm 1.........as little as two weeks. (and if the ATF didn't want us having NFA they would surely make it more difficult than a whopping two week wait wouldn't they?)
Paper Form 1.......ten months.
See the issue? (its not the FBI NICS check
)What the GCA'68 requires of a licensed dealer vs what the NFA '34 requires are literally apples and oranges. Even the background check, while essentially a NICS check is not entirely the same as the one performed by your dealer at the LGS.
Title I gun: Dealer is not prohibited by the Brady Law from transferring the firearm after the third business day.
Title II gun: No. Such. Exemption. ATF cannot approve a Form 1 or Form 4 until the applicant has received a "proceed" response from the FBI. This is why some people wait over a year. When FBI NICS runs the background check, if it is not immediately a proceed.........that form gets placed in a stack where it may sit until the FBI feels like taking a look at it. Unlike Title I firearms there is no time constraints on the FBI NICS and no federal law even requires them to do background checks via NICS...hence my comment above about FBI vs ATF. That there is no federal law is whose fault?............yeah, Congress again.
Jwbfx4
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Yea that’s what they told me. I will be calling the dealer tomorrow and then them if no word.
FL-NC
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Notified by dealer stamp arrived yesterday.
Jwbfx4
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Called the ATF today and the one I talked to today is saying wait 45 days now due to the pandemic. Looks like the waiting game continues.
tydephan
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Submitted June 21st 2019, Approved on April 6th, 2020. Took possession 4/30/20.
FL-NC
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That sucks man.
marksman13
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I had a stamp come in today. 339 days since being submitted. 313 days since they cashed my check. E-Form submitted through Silencershop Kiosk.
dogtown tom
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All the SS kiosk does is scan prints and allow the user to submit some identifying information. It does not submit any forms to ATF.
Form 4's are paper only.
I never have understood why people think my kiosk does more than what it does.
marksman13
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I just know I never touched a piece of paper or even saw a paper form. Don’t know that I really care how the form was submitted. I just know it took 339 days to get my stamp approved which is 339 days too long.
marksman13
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Did a little digging on this because I thought I remembered submitting E-Form 4s back in 2013/2014 when I was working for a local gun shop. Say what you want, but at least at one time, E-Form 4s were a thing. I do remember submitting them. They are/were only available for dealers based on shop inventory. Maybe that’s no longer a thing or maybe you need to get with the times. Not sure which.
dogtown tom
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You may have, but ATF dumped that debacle in April 2014. It was chock full of bugs and never worked the way intended. Some dealers were able to log in and do batch uploads and really never log off, other dealers could never get past the log in page or get kicked off in the middle of doing a form.
Sadly, back then ATF attempted to implement an electronic version of all their NFA, manufacturing, import and export forms. In short it was largely a disaster. Rather than start with F3's and see how that worked before moving on the F2's,etc they filled the pool and let everyone jump in all at once. Thats stupid and was run so poorly they pulled the plug after less than a year.
Well, it's you that needs 'to get with the times" or at least six years ago. I'm sure of that.
Form 4's are the last remaining NFA form not on eForms.
Ten minutes of reading in the subforum will find numerous posts about the speed of eForm 1's vs paper.
marksman13
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You may have, but ATF dumped that debacle in April 2014. It was chock full of bugs and never worked the way intended. Some dealers were able to log in and do batch uploads and really never log off, other dealers could never get past the log in page or get kicked off in the middle of doing a form.
Sadly, back then ATF attempted to implement an electronic version of all their NFA, manufacturing, import and export forms. In short it was largely a disaster. Rather than start with F3's and see how that worked before moving on the F2's,etc they filled the pool and let everyone jump in all at once. Thats stupid and was run so poorly they pulled the plug after less than a year.
Well, it's you that needs 'to get with the times" or at least six years ago. I'm sure of that.
Form 4's are the last remaining NFA form not on eForms.
Ten minutes of reading in the subforum will find numerous posts about the speed of eForm 1's vs paper.
Again, I don’t care how the form was submitted. I just know that I never touched a piece of paper in the process and I have another suppressor to add to the collection.
GHinNH
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Well this stinks... I am in the market for another. The last one being a couple years ago and a 10 month wait, was hoping things had gotten better.
You never know. I just had one approved in 5 months, the one before that was 3months.
GHinNH
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Individual, or Trust? I have a trust and would be adding another item. If I recall correctly, they take longer anyway.
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