So I Want An Air Rifle Should I Get A.......Let Me Stop You Right There Just Get An R7/HW30

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So I get asked this quite a bit and it has definitely come up lately online a lot.

Let me save everybody a ton of time.

Buy a Beeman R7 or Weihrach HW30 in the caliber and trim of your choice.
  1. No you don't need a powerful air rifle. You have guns for that. You are looking for a close range plinker for your basement or backyard. Don't get caught up with power. Power in a spring gun brings a lot of difficulties to the shooting table.
  2. Yes they cost "Real Gun" money and they are worth every penny
  3. They are easy to cock, easy to shoot and insanely accurate with spectacular trigger. They make your stock 10/22 look like crap. (I own stock 10/22s....I know of what I speak. :D)
  4. Yes they will last for damn ever
  5. All spring guns require a different technique from firearms when shooting them. The R7/HW30 is one of the far more forgiving models in this regard.
  6. If you are new to spring guns.......no it is not the gun, I promise. Work on your technique
  7. Even if you feed your $1500 AR15 Tula steel, for the love of God feed your air rifle good ammo. The cheapest, crappiest, pointed pellets well work about as well as you would expect. Crosman Premiers should be your ground floor and go up and experiment from there.
  8. .22 has more wind resistance but more drop. .177 shoots flatter but gets blown around more. Neither one is gonna "blow a varmint in half". If you are shooting for groups go with the .177 (smaller holes....hey its not REALLY cheating you can't control the size of your ammo. :D)
  9. Start off at close range 30-50'. Work out from there. The R7/HW30 will easily group at 35 yards or so. They will shoot to 50 yards but you need to be on your game.
  10. But I really was thinking about...........Stop thinking and buy the HW30 or R7.
I have several HW30s and had my .22 out tonight with target sights. They are just an absolute pleasure to shoot in every sense of the word.

...."But Gamo has a......" :scrutiny: I don't wanna hear it. :neener:
 
I like my RWS 34 and Gamo and RWS pellets.........Not the quietest between the spring and the supersonic crack, but still a lot less than even a .22lr and good enough for pesky squirrels near my bird feeders.
 
I have a Santa Rosa Beeman R7, . The Hw's, R7 have a notorious reputation among Air Gun Enthusiast, known for the gun they shoot the most because of the smooth, light shooting. And among others the Diana 34, tuned .
My son has a HW30MK a Macarri Spring in it and tuned it. My Gosh that is the sweetest Pellet gun I have ever shoot. Just gives a little swoosh noise and a real tack driver.

A tuned R7 is extremely quiet.
 
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I like my RWS 34 and Gamo and RWS pellets.........Not the quietest between the spring and the supersonic crack, but still a lot less than even a .22lr and good enough for pesky squirrels near my bird feeders.

FYi, If your Diana is going supersonic and getting the crack, means it is dieseling. This will damage the spring. Are you putting some kind of lubricant in the rifle? Vortek sells a Drop in Spring, Tune kit, that makes the ultra quiet and smooth.
 
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Here is a idea of the Decibel rating of a Spring power Air Rifle. Remember that the noise is louder for the shooter. I have done non-scientific recording for years. A good tune with a quality product will significantly quiet down any spring Air Rifle. My tuned R7 for example went way down in decibel rating, yet the FPS was increased and even more smooth shooting to boot. I have a Walther LGV that right out of the box is even more quiet than my HW's. But then, you are going to spend about $600-800. A Vortek drop in kit is less than $100.00
Notice the chart. My R7 was about 88 db's. After tune around 78-81.
*Co2 is a different kind of sound. And they can be loud. Rifles can in most cases get a Shroud that makes them silent.

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http://www.straightshooters.com/decibel-ranking-of-airguns.html
 
FYi, If your Diana is going supersonic and getting the crack, means it is dieseling.

Just for the record MANY airguns will diesel for several shots out of the box or even if they sit for some time. If they do this for any length of time you can absolutely damage the piston seal etc. You can usually tell by the sharper pitched crack as well as the tell tale smell. This is usually just burning off the excess factory or settled lube, but like was said if this continues or is normal you will likely have problems.

Basically compressing air super fast also heats it a great deal. You can see how much by looking up folks on Youtube or whatever putting a little lighter fluid or other accelerant in the base of a pellet and shooting it. You will hear a loud crack and see a velocity gain because you have technically made a firearm. DO NOT DO THIS, YOU CAN BREAK YOUR GUN. I was just illustrating the phenomenon.
 
cslinger, not to make things more complex, but how do you feel about elaborating on sight options, barrel droop and under/side levers? Depending on what a first time buyer may end up doing in the long run, these factors could be considered so buyer's remorse doesn't come in to play.
 
cslinger, not to make things more complex, but how do you feel about elaborating on sight options, barrel droop and under/side levers? Depending on what a first time buyer may end up doing in the long run, these factors could be considered so buyer's remorse doesn't come in to play.

Sights are a personal thing. Scopes are far better for precision yet irons are a lot of fun for me. I have had Williams peeps on guns but currently I have a couple Air Force rear diopter setups on a gun or two. I have never used an electronic type sight on an airgun (Red Dot/Holo). The biggest caveat here is to make sure you get a spring rifle rated scope. (doesn't matter with PCP/CO2 etc.) Also if you are mounting to a powerful gun with lots of recoil use the scope stops.

I have only ever had one gun with a little barrel drop out of the box and I bent the barrel a tad to compensate. It is on a gun I never scoped so I don't even know how much difference it would have made to be honest.

As to break barrel vs.fixed barrel I have and enjoy both. The fixed barrels SHOULD offer more mechanical accuracy and are probably easier to shoot at a higher level but at my skill level its a moot point really. I find Weihrauch under levers to be very easy to cock where as I find Diana and Air Arms much more difficult. I don't have experience with side levers of any kind. Also, although you should keep control of the barrel/cocking lever at all times when loading a break barrel is more forgiving if it fails and snaps shut. It will break the gun most likely but your finger have far more leeway in terms of getting out of the way or not really getting caught. Fixed barrels, well they don't call em bear traps for nothing. If, in the unlikely event, the sear goes and drops the piston, swinging the lever closed closing the breech while you are loading......well think about a bag full of ice for your thumb and getting you and your severed digit to the ER. Point is ALWAYS keep control of the cocking mechanism so in the unfortunate even it gives way you slow it down/capture it enought to save yourself from injury and the gun from damage.

Honestly buying an air rifle for a first time shooter the best advice I can give is as follows.
-Buy quality. Spend the real money, you will get a REAL gun. Diana, Weihrauch, REAL Beeman's, Anschutz, Air Arms etc. I know this is a hard concept when we as, Americans, were brought up with BB guns being disposable toys.
-If you are a gun guy who has shot all their life, don't expect to pick up a spring gun of any kind and take to it like a fish to water. As a matter of fact if you have never shot before you are probably better off. Firearm skills don't translate to spring gun shooting (They do to PCP/C02). Spring gun skills, however will make you a better firearm shooter. The key is light hold, let it recoil. If benching, don't bench on a hard surface or bag, use a towel or similar.
-Buy good pellets. Crosman premier/H&N/JSB/RWS etc. Don't buy the cheapest Daisy branded pointed pellets you can find. Think of them like you would the crappiest steel cased ammo.
-Most Airguns need a little break in. A half a tin or so of pellets.
-DON'T GET HUNG UP ON POWER AND VELOCITY!!! If you are buying specifically to pest then, yes do a little research and get a power level that will humanely do what you want to do. That said the VAST majority of us want an indoor/back yard/convenient target shooting or plinking experience. Lower velocity tends to equate into easier to shoot, more accurate, much quieter, easier to cock and just much more pleasant to shoot. Just keep telling yourself when you are shopping and looking at velocity numbers or FPE......."WAIT A MINUTE.....I HAVE ACTUAL GUNS.....I JUST WANT TO TARGET SHOOT."
-Check your stock screws every now and then. If you start seeing a known quantity pellet start grouping erratically it is probably due to loose stock screws on a spring gun.
-Understand that air guns can be LOUD they don't just go pfffft. Spring or SSP guns are the quietest in general. CO2 and PCP can approach or exceed .22LR noise. For example I find C02 pistols uncomfortable to shoot inside, too much of a crack. The majority of the noise YOU will hear in a spring gun is the mechanical dropping of the piston and spring. The report tends to much quieter until you get to higher powered guns.
-DON'T USE FLAMMABLE TYPE OILS ETC. in the breech or barrel etc. Only use stuff like Pelgun oil and the like. Flammable oils etc. can detonate on shooting making a LOUD crack and possibly damaging the gun (It won't KABOOM or anything but it can be damaged).

Those are really the big things that come to mind. The biggest buyers remorse items I have seen or I have experienced center around buying too powerful of an airgun for what you actually want to do and buying too loud of an air gun that you cannot enjoy in the way you wanted, CO2 pistols indoors for me. That an the spring gun learning curve. Don't get frustrated, its not the gun its you learning a new discipline.

The other big thing I see as far as buyers regret is going cheap. Picking up whatever they have at Academy sports or Walmart or whatever. Almost invariably this causes most folks to dismiss airguns all together. Conversely when I have taken my airguns to the range I have dudes with $2000 worth of tricked out AR15s hand them to me so they can shoot my "BB Guns" They are amazed at how different they are from the toys they grew up with or bought their kid. My cousin grew up in a class 3 house hold and has shot more full auto and DD then most anybody I have ever met and had done so by the time he was 18. He came down to visit one year so we went to the range. I brought some of my more interesting toys for him, and I brought one of my air pistols for me........he ended up shooting my air pistol the whole time and just giggling saying that he hadn't had this much fun shooting since he could remember. :D

Most of all have fun with it but just like firearms ALL SAFETY RULES APPLY AT ALL TIMES with the one additional being WASH YOUR HANDS after every use just to be safe and get any lead off your fingers.
 
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That's great info, thanks for posting all that up. My experience is pretty limited. I do have a Williams peep on it and I think it's a great deal better than the stock sights. I need to check on the Air Force peep you mentioned.

I have a basic Umarex break barrel and I think it's pretty dang good. I do now wish I had a fixed barrel but the cost of those is high enough that I may just go the PCP route instead.

In any case, I really enjoy airgun shooting. While they can be loud-ish, it's a great deal less than centerfire. These days at my range, it's better to be subtle rather than drawing the ire of nearby folks that may think I should be huddled at home instead of enjoying being outdoors shooting tin cans.
 
Just keep in mind you have to fill a PCP and that requires lots of muscle or a place to get tanks filled or a very specialized HIGH pressure compressor. You need to figure that into your costs.

I am not a PCP guy but they are extremely accurate and can be very powerful.
 
Got ya...one size fits all. And what is the one magical firearm that fits all needs.
 
The Diana MDL is notorious for Barrel droop.But it was designed that way and I have always loved that gun. With open sights the Diana is my favorite gun to shoot.(and I have many). The Diana has such a long history. And the droop IMO was designed before many air rifles used scope. Shooting game to around 25-35 yds. My 34 does have a scope because of aging eyes, but of course Diana and others have a Droop compensating mount. One rifle that I would like to get, is the Diana MDL 25. Similar to the HW30 in proformance. MZ the well known Tuner had one that was a superb shooter.

 
Got ya...one size fits all. And what is the one magical firearm that fits all needs.

GLOCK 19 silly, how long have you been on the internet? Ask anybody :p

Seriously though, the thread was a little hyperbolic/tongue in cheek but in many, many cases the HW30/R7 is a fantastic starting point. Obviously the Glock 19 comment was tongue in cheek as well.

If you read my additional posts you will see I talk about what I think is a good criteria for picking up an air rifle. Not just specifically an HW 30.
 
Have been shooting two now that have fast become my all time best rifles, a SIG in 22 and the older H97 fixed barrel, one loves the heavy for caliber and the other dosen't, both will make me cuss when I get sloppy on hold and trigger . Gentleman that taught me air guns always said master theses and the centerfire stuff will be a breeze, Here I am in my 70's and still enjoying air rifles
 
I gotta tell you, I've been shooting my Daisy 853 all winter. I've just joined a Covid-19 inspired air rifle postal league, which gives me an excuse to keep shooting it.

I see that CMP still has surplus-reconditioned rifles for $105 plus $14.95 shipping. The best deal I've ever seen.
 
I think many of us are going to be shooting Air Rifles and Pistols for quite a while. Most center fire and rimfires shooters will have to wait, for the most part. At least in my area. Even my outdoor club in the woods just announced a continued closing. No problem, I love my Air Guns. I am a dedicated point and shoot style shooter. During the Last ammo crisis, I spent a lot of time shooting my Air Pistols. Came back shooting better than I ever have.

Love this Walther CP88. Top quality. Great DA trigger. (and I only shoot DAO triggers for all my EDC guns)

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The OP give good advice. A buddy of mine has an R7 and it's a high quality air rifle. For basement or backyard target shooting, it's perfect.

My strategy has always been to buy cheap springer rifles. By now I could have bought at least two R7's, and I never had a gun as accurate or with as good a trigger. I could have also saved myself a couple of returns.
 
The OP give good advice. A buddy of mine has an R7 and it's a high quality air rifle. For basement or backyard target shooting, it's perfect.

My strategy has always been to buy cheap springer rifles. By now I could have bought at least two R7's, and I never had a gun as accurate or with as good a trigger. I could have also saved myself a couple of returns.

There is a significant difference in quality between a Big Store air rifle and a nice German/English. Much better grade metals, seals, and much higher quality Springs. The HW/Beeman Rekord trigger is notorious for being a splindid trigger. If only Center fired guns had that Trigger they would love. it.
 
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