Why do people hate shipping to New York so much?

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That's a big NO. If I chose not to do business in a state I'm not depriving anyone of their rights. You are perfectly able to transact with anyone who is doing business in your area. I suspect there are such companies and individuals in your locale but they may charge more money than retailers in other markets with less onerous rules.
I am very happy that you "suspect" that others will do the same as I cannot online or out of state.

But your "suspicion" is not founded in FACT.

I would happily buy the exact same item from a local [ in fact prefer to ] but that is/was not the case.

I suggest you actually look at and read in depth the "laws" that Cuomo had passed in the middle of the night.

You should be very upset,and I "suspect" that if it happened to you,you would be as upset about your loss of your RIGHTS as am I.

And please do IMAGINE that all states passed such illegal and UNConstitutional laws = how would that be if none of us had the RIGHTS we all believe in ?.
 
Gotcha! I live in Florida, and as big as it is, I might still have to ship.........
 
. I suspect there are such companies and individuals in your locale but they may charge more money than retailers in other markets with less onerous rules.
I am very happy that you "suspect" that is the case.

But your wrong as I am VERY,VERY happy to buy local.

It is when another state deprives me of my ALLOWED & LEGAL right to an item that I am annoyed enough to let all know about them.

A freakin bayonet that can be bought at hardwarde stores,gun shows,flea markets, and not from "Cheaper than Dirt" ---- really ??.
 
LOL in that case I'd say your priorities are perhaps misaligned with what I think are good priorities but hey it's your money you can spend it on whatever you want.
His priorities are Misaligned because he doesn’t own a printer? Because you say so? Do you make it a point to tell folk how to spend their money?

I’m at the point where I hate buying electronic crap that will either be outdated in a few years or will cost me more than I bought it for supplies like ink to run the thing, especially when I don’t really need one.

Guns, like most hand tools, with a bit of care in how they are stored, will be worth something, perhaps more than bought for, well after your printer is taking up space in your attic or a landfill.
 
You've never heard of April 15th have you. :D

if you electronic file, and save your documents as .pdf and store on a CD or external drive, why would you need to print them?

Also, if you only print once a year for taxes, bring them to Kinkos or UPS Store and have them print several copies for a few dollars.
 
The RIGHT to keep & bear arms !.
You need to read the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They are our protections from GOVERNMENT overreach. The First Amendment doesn't give you the right to go on a businesses private property and start handing out sales flyers for a competitor.....and the Second doesn't grant you ANY rights on someone else's private property or at their business. "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" doesn't permit me to use my neighbors pool. So much for your "full knowledge of the law" huh?;)


By refusing my sales for NO REAL CAUSE,other than to kow tow to the state AG.
FYI....a business can refuse to sell an item to you for ANY REASON THEY CHOOSE, as long as their refusal is not covered by the Civil Rights Act of 1964....( race, color, religion, sex, or national origin)..........so if I hate Yankees, I can lawfully refuse to sell to Yankees. I can also refuse to sell to the barefoot, those who won't wear a mask or Democrats.

"NO REAL CAUSE"? :rofl:


And that is poor business,as when do you stop that,how many states do you listen to their AG and stop the sales.
You think its poor business, yet the business likely has weighed the loss of revenue vs the liability and legal costs of doing business in your state......so it may be GOOD BUSINESS.


If that were your state,bet you would be more than a bit upset over the loss of your RIGHTS ?.
1. It happens here. There are businesses that don't allow open or concealed carry.........and I'm not losing my rights. I AM FREE TO SHOP ELSEWHERE. As are you.
2. You need to understand the difference between "rights" and those things that are privileges. Just because you are inconvenienced doesn't mean your rights are violated.
3. You are really retired LE?:scrutiny:
 
His priorities are Misaligned because he doesn’t own a printer? Because you say so? Do you make it a point to tell folk how to spend their money?

I’m at the point where I hate buying electronic crap that will either be outdated in a few years or will cost me more than I bought it for supplies like ink to run the thing, especially when I don’t really need one.

Guns, like most hand tools, with a bit of care in how they are stored, will be worth something, perhaps more than bought for, well after your printer is taking up space in your attic or a landfill.
It was meant to be more light hearted than that mate. Sorry it seemed more serious than it was.
 
New York promotes unconstitutional gun laws....and is anti gun....period. .....and it's un American..... That's why America hates us!
I am originally from upstate and still work there and in Florida..... Albany and NYC sucks the life and money out of the rest of the state....which is a beautiful place....but will never survive Cuomo....
 
New York promotes unconstitutional gun laws....and is anti gun....period. .....and it's un American..... That's why America hates us!
I am originally from upstate and still work there and in Florida..... Albany and NYC sucks the life and money out of the rest of the state....which is a beautiful place....but will never survive Cuomo....
As someone who was born and raised in NYC I agree! And now a lot have moved to Florida, and instead of assimilating, they are bringing their political beliefs with them......
 
if you electronic file, and save your documents as .pdf and store on a CD or external drive, why would you need to print them?

Also, if you only print once a year for taxes, bring them to Kinkos or UPS Store and have them print several copies for a few dollars.
Pretty sure he was joking about the 15th. :thumbup: I go to the library to get stuff printed.
 
You need to read the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They are our protections from GOVERNMENT overreach. The First Amendment doesn't give you the right to go on a businesses private property and start handing out sales flyers for a competitor.....and the Second doesn't grant you ANY rights on someone else's private property or at their business. "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" doesn't permit me to use my neighbors pool. So much for your "full knowledge of the law" huh?;)



FYI....a business can refuse to sell an item to you for ANY REASON THEY CHOOSE, as long as their refusal is not covered by the Civil Rights Act of 1964....( race, color, religion, sex, or national origin)..........so if I hate Yankees, I can lawfully refuse to sell to Yankees. I can also refuse to sell to the barefoot, those who won't wear a mask or Democrats.

"NO REAL CAUSE"? :rofl:






1. It happens here. There are businesses that don't allow open or concealed carry.........and I'm not losing my rights. I AM FREE TO SHOP ELSEWHERE. As are you.
2. You need to understand the difference between "rights" and those things that are privileges. Just because you are inconvenienced doesn't mean your rights are violated.
3. You are really retired LE?:scrutiny:
Really ?.

Yes retired LEO after just over quarter century enforcing the Constitution,not just being a keyboard warrior. [ surgerys & scars to prove it ]

And first of all,where did I say anything about trespassing with a weapon or flyers ?.

And NO ,you cannot refuse to sell to "Yankees" as the poor baker found out when he would not make a 'wedding cake' for a couple of same sex dudes.

He not only lost the suit,he lsot MONEY too as well as I believe his business.

And THE reason I am upset is THE reason I was refused the sale of LEGAL items.

It was the CHOICE of a retailer to "enforce" not a law,or a rule,or even common sense.

It was at the "request" of the state attorney general ,AND that was to enforce laws passed by the governor in the middle of the night.

"Laws" that are in direct violation of the U.S.Constitution and the Bill of RIGHTS.

And please do attack or defame my comments for any REAL reason,but leave my service to my nation and my oath out of it.

That has nothing to do with what I read & explain about the laws as I read AND enforced them.

Have you ever taken an oath ?,just curious.

And THE POINT you must have missed or ignored ---- ALL OF THE ITEMs I WAS REFUSED ARE LEGAL IN THIS STATE !!!.

They can and by many other [ free men ] businesses ,sold to me AND shipped to my home address.
 
Really ?.

Yes retired LEO after just over quarter century enforcing the Constitution,not just being a keyboard warrior. [ surgerys & scars to prove it ]
Hogwash. Law enforcement doesn't enforce the Constitution and Bill of Rights, they ABIDE by it.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights are about the freedoms the public enjoys, not restrictive laws that you think are enforced by LEO.
That you spent over a quarter century in LE and don't understand that is both shameful and humorous. I learned that in 5th grade.

And first of all,where did I say anything about trespassing with a weapon or flyers ?.
You didn't. That's whats called an example. You made claims about businesses violating your Second Amendment rights, I gave you an example of what a violation of your First Amendment right would look like in your head.

And NO ,you cannot refuse to sell to "Yankees" as the poor baker found out when he would not make a 'wedding cake' for a couple of same sex dudes.
Your knowledge of that case is as ignorant as your understanding of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Read it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission



He not only lost the suit,he lsot MONEY too as well as I believe his business.
Once again, wrong.
While the owners incurred considerable legal expenses they are still open for business.


And THE reason I am upset is THE reason I was refused the sale of LEGAL items.
No, you're upset because you think your rights were violated when someone simply told you "no".

It was the CHOICE of a retailer to "enforce" not a law,or a rule,or even common sense.
Sure as heck it was the retailers choice. That's kind of what freedom is all about isn't it?

It was at the "request" of the state attorney general ,AND that was to enforce laws passed by the governor in the middle of the night.
Sure, the AG of New York sends a request to every gun dealer in America. Sir, that didn't happen. What did happen is New York's legislature passed gun laws, signed by the governor and the time of day is irrelevant.


"Laws" that are in direct violation of the U.S.Constitution and the Bill of RIGHTS.
Says who? You? Until the courts rule on a case those laws are enforceable. And if you've been paying attention the US Supreme Court hasn't been all that eager to rule on any gun cases lately.

And please do attack or defame my comments for any REAL reason,but leave my service to my nation and my oath out of it.
I didn't comment at all about your service to the nation or any oath you may have taken so cut out that nonsense.
You brought your LE background and supposed knowledge into this thread, using that to bolster any argument you were making as an authority on the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Remember this nugget of wisdom?: "And as a retired LEO with full knowledge of the law,I have called and 'E' mailed many companys with the question " why are you depriving me of MY rights".
You failed.

That has nothing to do with what I read & explain about the laws as I read AND enforced them.
Well, your lack of knowledge on who the Bill of Rights applies to is why I asked if you had really been an LEO.

Have you ever taken an oath ?,just curious.
Yes.
But that has zero relevance to your misunderstanding of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and a companies right to not conduct business with a particular state.


And THE POINT you must have missed or ignored ---- ALL OF THE ITEMs I WAS REFUSED ARE LEGAL IN THIS STATE !!!.
I didn't miss that at all. In fact, it's not relevant. Any business can choose to not do business with residents of any state it chooses. I may choose to refuse to do business with New York state simply because I don't like New Yorkers. NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!! Wait.....where was that line uttered? :rofl:

They can and by many other [ free men ] businesses ,sold to me AND shipped to my home address.
So.What.
The ones that chose NOT to sell to you are not violating your Second Amendment rights, just hurting your feelings.;)
 
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Hey, I can speak from some experience here. I’ve tried to sell guns on armslist, and been contacted by people from NY interested in buying a firearm. Even though I lived in NY from 2008-2012, I know gun laws have changed a lot since then. I have read more than one article about Mayor Bloomberg trying to do an out of state stings and trick people into breaking one of their recent laws. I know NY has strict gun laws, but when I don’t live there I don’t keep up with them. However, I do know that something normal anywhere else in the country, can easily be a felony in NY. When I am selling a firearm that isn’t rare or unique, and the only interested party right away is someone from NY it makes me suspicious. I’ve never needed to sell a gun that bad to get tangled up in something crazy. I’d rather hold out for a local sale, or at least to an FFL in a non hostile state.

I feel bad for you guys, and l had some great times hunting and shooting in NY when I lived there. However, the gun climate is what keeps me from ever moving back, and makes me wary of getting involved with someone there with a gun transaction.
 
" Sure, the AG of New York sends a request to every gun dealer in America. Sir, that didn't happen. What did happen is New York's legislature passed gun laws, signed by the governor and the time of day is irrelevant "

Yes oh arrogant one,you seem to have a streak in you that I will not try to discuss with you as your seemingly a cop hater.

And your above QUOTED statement is false,the companys were CONTACTED by nys ag's.

Or they lied about that,either way I am done with your obviously nasty attitude and VERY happy that we never did business !.

In fact I cannot imagine why anyone would.

Take a chill pill ,.

And don't bother quoting me as you got much [ enough for me ] wrong and people like you are a vexation to a normal red blooded COP.

Done here,Mr Snarky.
 
I expect that there are more California Hoops now. :(

One decision that I made for myself because of that one sale was that, for folks living in 2A-Degraded Locales, I would willingly submit to an additional paperwork requirement, so long as it was not too outrageous and/or invasive.

I just figure that many of these poor folks have enough problems pursuing this hobby without me electing to support the efforts of the Antis in their state/county/city by refusing to sell to them.

FWIW ... :)
I shipped a gorgeous 1965 PPK to Cali last week. No problems. One thing that I did get into a few years ago was a trade with a Dealer in LA. He had a new Ruger SR22. Ruger had changed the slide and the gun had not been approved by the powers that be. Evidently CA has a list of approved guns. Since he couldn't sell the gun locally he asked if I would trade him a 10/22 TD that I had online. I checked wholesale prices and they sold for the same amount so I traded with him. Glad we don't have to follow a list in Arkansas.
 
" Sure, the AG of New York sends a request to every gun dealer in America. Sir, that didn't happen. What did happen is New York's legislature passed gun laws, signed by the governor and the time of day is irrelevant "

Yes oh arrogant one,you seem to have a streak in you that I will not try to discuss with you as your seemingly a cop hater.
First, name calling gets zero points here.
And well, thats sounds like you just realized you have no substance in your argument, so you'll now take your ball and go home, but hey, before I go I'll tell the guy that disagreed with me that he's a cop hater. :rofl:
I'm about as far from a cop hater as one could get.
What I DO HATE is hogwash.

And your above QUOTED statement is false,the companys were CONTACTED by nys ag's.
Again, must be the fifth or sixth time......wrong.
I'm a gun dealer and the state of New York has never contacted me in any shape manner or form. That includes your governor, attorney general, secretary of state or the head librarian.

Or they lied about that,either way I am done with your obviously nasty attitude and VERY happy that we never did business !.
In fact I cannot imagine why anyone would.
No.....your state gov lied?
And if you want nasty attitude, just stay in NY. It apparently makes most US gun business VERY happy.



Take a chill pill ,.
Nope, don't need that here.

And don't bother quoting me as you got much [ enough for me ] wrong and people like you are a vexation to a normal red blooded COP.
Wrong? You've yet to provide a shred of any evidence to show that anything I wrote is wrong.
And you are far from a normal cop to me. The ones that are my friends and relatives know when they are in over their head.


Done here,Mr Snarky.
You were cooked in my first reply.:rofl:
 
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I am very happy that you "suspect" that others will do the same as I cannot online or out of state.

But your "suspicion" is not founded in FACT.

I would happily buy the exact same item from a local [ in fact prefer to ] but that is/was not the case.

I suggest you actually look at and read in depth the "laws" that Cuomo had passed in the middle of the night.

You should be very upset,and I "suspect" that if it happened to you,you would be as upset about your loss of your RIGHTS as am I.

And please do IMAGINE that all states passed such illegal and UNConstitutional laws = how would that be if none of us had the RIGHTS we all believe in ?.

So are the items you want to buy not legal for sale in your jurisdiction? I ask because reading your comments above saying local stores won't carry it and there are laws you feel are unconstitutional. It that's the case then it simply reinforces the business decision of an out-of-state company not doing the transaction. Whether or not you agree with the rules doesnt negate their existence.

I have a question as well about your earlier comment saying you have items shipped to PA dealers and pick them up there. Obviously this could only apply to a long gun or accessories as it's against federal law to transfer a handgun to a non-resident. Is this a case of items that are questionable legally (like 10 round mags) or items that are normal commerce in NY that the local stores simply do not stock (like an 303 ammuntion)?
 
...And NO ,you cannot refuse to sell to "Yankees" as the poor baker found out when he would not make a 'wedding cake' for a couple of same sex dudes.

He not only lost the suit,he lsot MONEY too as well as I believe his business.

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And THE POINT you must have missed or ignored ---- ALL OF THE ITEMs I WAS REFUSED ARE LEGAL IN THIS STATE !!!

FYI - Masterpiece Cakeshop won his case and is still in business.

As for the important item of note:

Are saying the items are legal to sell in a storefront business, or simply that they are technically legal to own and therefore are being sold person-to-person like high-cap magazines?
 
FYI - Masterpiece Cakeshop won his case and is still in business.

As for the important item of note:

Are saying the items are legal to sell in a storefront business, or simply that they are technically legal to own and therefore are being sold person-to-person like high-cap magazines?
Not only legal to sell in a storefront.

But legal to ship to NYS with online purchases,for example ammunition.

There are a good deal of NON NYS complaint businesses that sell ammunition to me and it is LEGAL to have it delivered to my house.

The nys ag does not like the law,and the governor HATES the fact that it is still legal.

Just as the bayonet that I was trying to buy is LEGAL according to all NYS laws [ artice 265.00 of the NYS penal law.]

As to legal in Pa.and not in NY = when it comes to any rifle or shotgun that is legal in NYS.

Then all I need do is go to Pa. and fill out the 4473 form,taking that firearm with me.

Contiguous states can sell to others in that title,in other words I can legally go to ANY gun shop in Pa. or Vt. and buy and leave with any rifle or shotgun,as long as that gun is legal in NYS.

Hope I was clear enough.
 
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