Dream double rifle cartridge

troy fairweather · May 5, 2020

My dream gun has always been a double rifle, I will never have the money for one or go to Africa to use it. If you could for some reason get one what cartridge would you pick? Think I'd like H&H to build it.

That's a difficult answer for me, tho I think I'd go simple. I would like to use it on nice days deer hunting, 7x57 or a 375 h&h. I really don't know, what is get.

Like to see what others would get, and how they would use it.

George P · May 5, 2020

If money (and time) were no object, I would have Peter Hofer, Philip Ollendorf, possibly Heym, or Hartmann & Weiss build it.

This is Hofer's "Hummingbird", the world's smallest double rifle and it weighs 1KG! (2.2 lbs to you non-metric folks)

This is it next to a 12 bore:

Available in 22 Hornet or .17HMR

Be prepared to shell out some SERIOUS coin though............Most of his guns are one of a kinds; this one he has made a few of.

mcb · May 5, 2020

Always wanted Krieghoff “Big Five” Double Rifle and because I read too much Capstick it had to be in 470 NE.

George P · May 5, 2020

Hartman & Weiss:

Dave DeLaurant · May 5, 2020

I owned a cheap Baikal O/U double rifle briefly in .308 Winchester. I had the extractor counterbored so I could also use .307 Winchester rimmed, since plucking out empties with the shallow extractor on this design is a challenge. I soon sold it off because the action had to be opened all the way to get at the bottom barrel, which made it very slow to reload. It was effectively a single shot after firing the first pair, defeating the purpose of having a double.

I thought the 307/308 chambering was about right for North America. 7x57R would have done just as well. It's nice to have a rim or belt on a double cartridge, but not absolutely necessary with a properly designed ejector system.

Someday I'd like to try the Valmet 412/512 double rifle configuration and see how the handling compares.

.38 Special · May 5, 2020

I do have a soft spot (in my head, maybe!) for the complex European doubles. One of those in something like 7x65r would be amusing.

But I'm another guy who read too much Capstick and Ruark and Hemingway - and Seyfried, for that matter. A Westley Richards double in .500 3 1/4" BPE would suit me right down to my toes, and I'd like to get a beat-up one with no finish left, so that I wouldn't feel bad about shooting it every day.

rabid wombat · May 5, 2020

Any of the Brits...Purdy, Boss, Holland and Holland....Dad always wanted to surprise the “burglar” with. 416 Rigby double...let the bad guy think it was a 410....

https://www.purdey.com/guns-rifles/double-rifles

7x57, 9x, 300 H&H, 375 H&H, 416....oh, to dream....

The closest realistically would be Browning O/U in 30.06. It was part of their Centennial set. Just not in the making for me....

redneck2 · May 5, 2020

I always wondered what happened to the rifles that were confiscated when South Africa flipped.

I believe at one time, there were few or no manufacturers of ammo for the larger bore doubles and they were considerably cheaper than now.

As for chambering, I’m not really familiar. Dunno if they come in .404 Jeffrey or .416 Rigby. Maybe .460 NE.

Sneakshot92 · May 5, 2020

There's a pair of SxS doubles I'd love to have. One in 35 Whelen for North America & one in 458 Lott for Africa.

db_tanker · May 5, 2020

375 H&H would be awesome....but my redneck side would love to also see a pair of doubles chambered in 405 Winchester in one and 50-110 Winchester in the other.

troy fairweather · May 5, 2020

redneck2 said:
I always wondered what happened to the rifles that were confiscated when South Africa flipped.

I believe at one time, there were few or no manufacturers of ammo for the larger bore doubles and they were considerably cheaper than now.

As for chambering, I’m not really familiar. Dunno if they come in .404 Jeffrey or .416 Rigby. Maybe .460 NE.

I've watched some Africa hunts, some hunters that are not wealthy and use loaned doubles. Seen some old ones to, even black powder hammer doubles.

If your paying 100k + you get what cartridge you want. That's how the 700ne came about.

troy fairweather · May 5, 2020

I'd like to find a sxs 20ga or 28ga and make a poor man's double.

redneck2 · May 5, 2020

Actually, modern rifled slugs aren’t too far off a DG rifle.

Sneakshot92 · May 5, 2020

troy fairweather said:
I'd like to find a sxs 20ga or 28ga and make a poor man's double.

My lgs had a sxs 28GA a couple months ago. I wanted it pretty bad but not $1400 bad.

I've also seen a couple 3 inch SxS .410's floating around the last couple years too.

troy fairweather · May 5, 2020

redneck2 said:
Actually, modern rifled slugs aren’t too far off a DG rifle.

I think Lee key slot slugs loaded in magtech brass shells would be fun.

redneck2 · May 5, 2020

I had a 28 gauge Ruger Red Label. Great little gun but expensive to feed

troy fairweather · May 5, 2020

Sneakshot92 said:
My lgs had a sxs 28GA a couple months ago. I wanted it pretty bad but not $1400 bad.

I've also seen a couple 3 inch SxS .410's floating around the last couple years too.

I think a 28 would be cooler, but here in New York we need a 20ga minimum.

DM~ · May 5, 2020

rabid wombat said:
7x57, 9x, 300 H&H, 375 H&H, 416....oh, to dream....

The closest realistically would be Browning O/U in 30.06. It was part of their Centennial set. Just not in the making for me....

If you know anything about those Browning's, you already know that they were so poorly regulated, most were shot very little, if any at all...

I have a few DR's, personally I don't want one in any rimless cartridge...

DM

Goosey · May 5, 2020

A .500 or a .450/400.

Sneakshot92 · May 5, 2020

troy fairweather said:
I think a 28 would be cooler, but here in New York we need a 20ga minimum.

Ahh. New York State. F@#;-÷\€'#:*!!!!! Screwy gun laws. Same goes for California.

troy fairweather · May 5, 2020

Sneakshot92 said:
Ahh. New York State. F@#;-÷\€'#:*!!!!! Screwy gun laws. Same goes for California.

some good gun states have some funky hunting laws to.

LoonWulf · May 5, 2020

7x65R......

Ive been considering getting some full length inserts and some cheap sxs to try build a BAD rifle from. Probably in a pistol cartridge.

Sneakshot92 · May 5, 2020

troy fairweather said:
some good gun states have some funky hunting laws to.

Not here in WI. There's just the minimum 22cal centerfire or larger rifle requirement and shotguns have to be larger than a 410 and fire a single projectile. Of course those are the regulations for whitetail deer and bear; aside from the obvious no machine guns. Everything else is archery related. I'm not getting into the NFA stuff.

troy fairweather · May 5, 2020

LoonWulf said:
7x65R......

Ive been considering getting some full length inserts and some cheap sxs to try build a BAD rifle from. Probably in a pistol cartridge.

I'd like to make some inserts some day. There not hard to make.

DM~ · May 5, 2020

LoonWulf said:
7x65R...…

I have a double in 7x65R, it's a very nice cartridge...

DM

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