A new .22 Rimfire proposal...

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I was thinking that the .22 Magnum had two main disadvantages:

Outright silly long Length.
Can't use cheaper .22LR ammo in firearms chambered in .22 WMR.

I had a chance to a chance to buy a S&W .22WMR DA Revolver w/ 4" barrel for $200 at a pawn shop. Due to the price of the ammo, I didn't buy it as well as maybe wanting one w/ a 6" Barrel instead...

I'm thinking by simply increasing the length of the .22LR instead by 2mm to 5mm which will allow for better performance and for doing the above, along with using shorter actions then the .22 WMR will.

Why has anyone does this already?
 
I don't think the case diameters are the same either. I once fired 22LR in a single six that had a mag cylinder and it split the cases. The gun shop that sold me the revolver as a 22LR were very apologetic!
 
whm1974 said:
I had a chance to a chance to buy a S&W .22WMR DA Revolver w/ 4" barrel for $200 at a pawn shop. Due to the price of the ammo, I didn't buy it as well as maybe wanting one w/ a 6" Barrel instead...

....Why has anyone does this already?
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Probably should have bought that gun. Any S&W 22 mag revolver will go for on average anywhere from $600-$1000 unless it looked like a well used garden implement and even then $400-$500.

Too bad I wasn’t there to buy it.....or verify what it was.

There is a rimfire called the 22 WRF. A bit shorter than 22 Mag and can be fired in 22 mag as well but usually won’t cycle in anything but a revolver. Rifles haven’t been made years but ammo still is by CCI. I accidentally bought 3 boxes once.
 
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whm1974 said:
I had a chance to a chance to buy a S&W .22WMR DA Revolver w/ 4" barrel for $200 at a pawn shop. Due to the price of the ammo, I didn't buy it as well as maybe wanting one w/ a 6" Barrel instead...
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I'd have bought it in a heartbeat, glad to know it is still there for a .22 Mag fan who will love it accordingly. :)
 
whm1974 said:
I was thinking that the .22 Magnum had two main disadvantages:

Outright silly long Length.
Can't use cheaper .22LR ammo in firearms chambered in .22 WMR.

I had a chance to a chance to buy a S&W .22WMR DA Revolver w/ 4" barrel for $200 at a pawn shop. Due to the price of the ammo, I didn't buy it as well as maybe wanting one w/ a 6" Barrel instead...

I'm thinking by simply increasing the length of the .22LR instead by 2mm to 5mm which will allow for better performance and for doing the above, along with using shorter actions then the .22 WMR will.

Why has anyone does this already?
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I'd like to think I would have bought that revolver and searched for Winchester Dynapoint ammo if trying to save some pennies per shot.

45 grain Winchester Dynapoint in .22 WMR was/is cheap for .22 magnum. It's a bit slower than other .22 WMR, but definitely faster than .22 LR and Dynapoint has a copper washed bullet (not jacketed) just like .22 LR. It shoots better than expected out of revolvers, in my experience.
 
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And. . . ? What gun have you bought to shoot them in?

You can't just leave that ammo on the shelf and not buy a gun. It's against the rules!
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One did come up for sale locally. All the guns chambered for it are quite old. Remington has their own name for the cartridge, 22 Remington Special, but it was the same thing.

The Winchesters are virtually all slide action which is nice but they also sell for $1000+. Some folks accuse me of being rich but that is too much coin just to burn through 150 rnds of obsolete ammo.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
One did come up for sale locally. All the guns chambered for it are quite old. Remington has their own name for the cartridge, 22 Remington Special, but it was the same thing.

The Winchesters are virtually all slide action which is nice but they also sell for $1000+. Some folks accuse me of being rich but that is too much coin just to burn through 150 rnds of obsolete ammo.
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Supposedly that .22 WRF will chamber and fire in .22 WMR firearms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Winchester_Rimfire
 
earlthegoat2 said:
Probably should have bought that gun. Any S&W 22 mag revolver will go for on average anywhere from $600-$1000 unless it looked like a well used garden implement and even then $400-$500.

Too bad I wasn’t there to buy it.....or verify what it was.

There is a rimfire called the 22 WRF. A bit shorter than 22 Mag and can be fired in 22 mag as well but usually won’t cycle in anything but a revolver. Rifles haven’t been made years but ammo still is by CCI. I accidentally bought 3 boxes once.
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Well this was maybe late 2004 around 2005. I doubt it is there anymore...
 
The 22 WRF will fit 22 mag revolvers. An interesting tidbit. I had a NAA 22 Mag /22 LR convertible mini. I also bought a little pocket holster for it. However, the holster had a little pouch for reloads but wouldn't take the length of the 22 Magnums. But it would take the 22 WRFs, so I bought a box just for that. Note, that wasn't an EDC setup but just fun toy.

A SW 22 mag revolver for $200. Normally, pawn shops aren't that stupid even 2004, it was worth much more. I had a 651 which I ditched, should have kept it. Sigh.
 
GEM said:
The 22 WRF will fit 22 mag revolvers. An interesting tidbit. I had a NAA 22 Mag /22 LR convertible mini. I also bought a little pocket holster for it. However, the holster had a little pouch for reloads but wouldn't take the length of the 22 Magnums. But it would take the 22 WRFs, so I bought a box just for that. Note, that wasn't an EDC setup but just fun toy.

A SW 22 mag revolver for $200. Normally, pawn shops aren't that stupid even 2004, it was worth much more. I had a 651 which I ditched, should have kept it. Sigh.
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Yep I do remember the .22 Mag going for $200. If only I knew how under priced they were selling it for... Maybe the person who sold it them didn't know it's value...
 
I have a S&W Model 18 Combat Masterpiece with 4" barrel in .22 mag. As mentioned in an earlier post, the Winchester dynapoints shoot very well in the gun with almost .22 LR accuracy at 50 yards. I had a .22 LR cylinder made up for this gun when I thought the ammo was getting too expensive, but it has had the .22 mag cylinder in it better than 90% of the time. A great trail gun.
 
whm1974 said:
I had a chance to a chance to buy a S&W .22WMR DA Revolver w/ 4" barrel for $200 at a pawn shop. Due to the price of the ammo, I didn't buy it as well as maybe wanting one w/ a 6" Barrel instead...
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Where is this pawn shop located?
 
Increasing the length of a 22 LR and creating a more powerful cartridge will omit one of the design features of the 22 magnum. Because the 22 LR uses a heeled bullet and the projectile is the same diameter as the case, increasing the length of the modified 22 LR will not prevent the new, longer 22 LR from being chambered in an older 22 LR firearm. Current inside lubricated cartridges can have a 'step' in the chamber that prevent a longer more powerful cartridge from being inserted and fired. I believe that is why they made the 22 magnum slightly larger in diameter. To prevent it from being chambered in 22 LR firearms.
 
Johnm1 said:
Increasing the length of a 22 LR and creating a more powerful cartridge will omit one of the design features of the 22 magnum. Because the 22 LR uses a heeled bullet and the projectile is the same diameter as the case, increasing the length of the modified 22 LR will not prevent the new, longer 22 LR from being chambered in an older 22 LR firearm. Current inside lubricated cartridges can have a 'step' in the chamber that prevent a longer more powerful cartridge from being inserted and fired. I believe that is why they made the 22 magnum slightly larger in diameter. To prevent it from being chambered in 22 LR firearms.
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I find your post about increasing the length of the .22LR will not prevent the new cartridge from being chambered in older .22LR firearms, to be completely unbelievable.

The extinct .22 Extra Long couldn't be chambered in .22 Long and .22 Long Rifle firearms at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Extra_Long#Description
As with the .22 Winchester Automatic[2] and .22 Remington Automatic,[3] the .22 Extra Long will not chamber correctly in .22 Long Rifle weapons.[1] Because it is very dimensionally-similar, however, the shorter .22 Short, .22 Long, and .22 LR will chamber in weapons designed for it[1] (in the same way .38 Special ammunition can be fired in .357 Magnum weapons, or .44 Special rounds in .44 Magnums).
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