I think I’m done with ArmsList for buying and selling.

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No ffl needed in a free state. Just see their DL or state ID. No need to take a pic. No need for uncle Sam to know what I own. This will help the poor soul that comes to try to take it when the gun grabbers pass laws to confiscate it.

"What? Oh no officer, I sold that a while back. Do not have their name. I know they showed me their DL and they were a resident of this state I lived in at that time."

"You don't keep a record of your gun sales?"

"No sir. No law against that. Also, no law mandating me to report a stolen gun either (in a free state)."

I am a law abiding gun owner. But, I feel like we have plenty (too many) laws regulating our gun rights.

Liberty above all else. No need for me to explain myself in what I choose to do within the legal parameters that exist. But, you asked.

I am more perplexed by you wanting to give the government more of your hard earn money to gain what exactly? Your own piece of mind? You want me to pay more money and waste my time to make you feel better about yourself?
Geez!
 
Ive bought and sold a few gun on arms list, actually made a couple friends that way.

We arnt required to use an ffl, no point since a buyer needs a hawaii permit to acquire for ANY firearm purchase.
Mostly Ive met folks at in a parking lot, stoped by there house, or had them stop by mine. One guy wanted to do the transfer at the police station, which was fine, we both needed to go there anyway.
Most ffls here would be happy to do a transfer if you REALLY wanted them to, but your paying the normal fee, and it will take a day or two as it HAS to be logged in and out of both their books, and with the police station. Much easier to just do consignment, if a person really wants to go that route.
The also cannot check serials, even against that states data base. I guess at one point it was something that the gun folks at the station might, or might not do depending on who you got, but now its a flat no.
 
The Las Vegas shooter legally bought all of his guns. He either passed a bgc or would have passed a bgc at the time he aquired his guns.

So. That makes you feel better and less responsible?

The shooter holds all responsibility for their actions! NOT THE PERSON WHO SOLD THEM THE GUN!!!!

Slow cookers and ball bearings were used to take life in Boston. Let''s blame Target for selling slow cookers. What logic?

We are going to start to require a carpenter's license if you want to buy a hammer. They are just too dangerous in the wrong people's hands.
 
And posting their gun, serial number included, on the internet under an email that includes their full name isn't just as bad? I don't think I follow that line of logic. Could you expand on that?

Nope I can’t really expand on that, I don’t really get it myself.
I do know many of these guys don’t do that they only buy and usually set the exchange up through text messages.
 
Stolen guns - face to face private transactions.

When buying, for your own protection, get the sellers ID. Drivers license containing there photo or other info. Cars license plate. Enter into a bound book or other record keeping .

Why? Police come and take the stolen guns & give you a receipt. Your out the money paid, unless the thief makes restitution as part of a plea deal.
 
I live in Colorado where a FFL has to transfer all guns. You can do FTF for C&R if one of the parties has a license and the gun is over 50 years old and also antiques.

If I lived in a state that did not require a FFL for private transactions (which is the way it should be everywhere) I would not buy a gun from someone insisting we go through FFL. No reason to get the government involved voluntarily.
 
Wrong. The dealer is not responsible for the provenance of a used firearm.

Just because I technically purchased the firearm from the FFL DOES NOT imply that the FFL is responsible for the provenance. My copy of the paperwork that I came home with shows that the firearm was transferred from the FFL to me. When law enforcement comes after the firearm in my possession for what ever reason they are going to use the FFL's paperwork to track who it came from and who it went to.


In Free America, two nonlicensees who are residents of the same state are not required to use an FFL to transfer a firearm. That is not a felony.
In Oregon those were the good old days but they don't exist anymore. I don't like the system as it is but I have to live with it if I want to purchase a private party firearm and not commit a felony. I did purchase firearms from friends before the law was passed but I know every person I purchased a firearm from very well and I still know which person every firearm came from. I have never done a private party firearm purchase from a stranger... until after the law was passed and an FFL was required. I never trusted a stranger well enough to purchase a firearm from them without going through an FFL. Even more so I have NEVER considered selling to a stranger without going through an FFL. How could I possibly know if they are a felon or not. Spending $100+ to swap my 1911 for my buddy's CZ is just NUTS though!
 
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Armslist in my area at least is a cesspool of morons, dreamers and scammers. I used the site extensively around 2012-2014. It's a joke here. Sometimes something good pops up on there but usually you won't get it because it doesn't exist or is full retail price ++ and they expect you to haggle or barter- I don't do either. I expect folks to act like adults, ask the real price for an item that they actually own and respond when you inquire - not the case. It's always some nonsense with a glock 19 for $600 or an sks for double what it's worth. Plus there's strange Illinois laws with regards to Chicago residents and what can be brought back into the city, although no one actually knows what those laws are so you get city dwellers trying to buy items that may be prohibited in the ghetto (entirety of Chicago and close suburbs) and sellers are concerned they may be in violation of some law they're unaware of. It's a complete and utter crap show.
I've made deals on armslist back when I was still willing to use Craigslist - neither of those sites are worth one second of my time anymore. Flakey or shady , those are the only two types I've met on there .
 
Stolen guns - face to face private transactions.

When buying, for your own protection, get the sellers ID. Drivers license containing there photo or other info. Cars license plate. Enter into a bound book or other record keeping .

Why? Police come and take the stolen guns & give you a receipt. Your out the money paid, unless the thief makes restitution as part of a plea deal.
How does this protect you, and what are you protected from?
 
Not getting into the dumpster fire of keeping records of face to face transactions, I have had some great deals on Armslist. Also not so great, but those are rarer. Right now I am trying to sell a box of 32S&W while keeping a search alert for some harder to find stuff.
 
Such records would go a VERY long way in court when I am being prosecuted for the drive by murders that were committed with the firearm that is currently in my possession.
I'm pretty paranoid, but that is just crazy talk.
 
A few years ago I bought, sold, and traded guns pretty regularly so I knew most of the people that did the same. Got some decent leads sometimes, but also got the heads up that "so-and-so has been known to move some questionable guns". I would never intentionally buy a stolen gun and can't stand anyone that would. If it's someone I don't know, I always ask if it's on the up and up. If it seems sketchy, I'm out. Not trying to get a sworn affidavit, notarized bill of sale or whatever. And not doing it to sell someone else a gun either.
 
How does this protect you, and what are you protected from?

A record shows your not knowingly buying stolen firearms.

And a thief will not want you having his true identity & place of residence. He will not go thru with the sale.

Why? Police come and take the stolen guns & give you a receipt. Your out the money paid, unless the thief makes restitution as part of a plea deal.
 
It’s there to use because it’s our right as Americans. Nothing illegal about it here in Ohio. Why would I want to add cost and red tape to the process? I don’t mind ffl’s, I buy new guns too, but used no need for one. FTF only, Just follow law by asking if they legal to own, check age and ID. Easy peasy. Some require buyers to have ccw license. No problem with that. Most I’ve dealt with had anyway. I do think government can be illegally tracking your purchases through FFL so why give them the opportunity.
 
A record shows your not knowingly buying stolen firearms.

And a thief will not want you having his true identity & place of residence. He will not go thru with the sale.
I think we just live in very different places. Thieves vary rarely publicly advertise stolen weapons for sale. They are thieves, not mentally challenged.

It sounds like you want a record because you have reason to believe the items are stolen. I dont deal with anyone that I have reasonable suspicion isn't on the up and up. If it walks like a crook, and talks like a crook, and smells like a crook, I walk away and they can keep their "records".

Not only that, if you think they are a crook, why give them personal information? Seems counterintuitive to me.
 
No ffl needed in a free state. Just see their DL or state ID. No need to take a pic. No need for uncle Sam to know what I own. This will help the poor soul that comes to try to take it when the gun grabbers pass laws to confiscate it.

"What? Oh no officer, I sold that a while back. Do not have their name. I know they showed me their DL and they were a resident of this state I lived in at that time."

"You don't keep a record of your gun sales?"

"No sir. No law against that. Also, no law mandating me to report a stolen gun either (in a free state)."

I am a law abiding gun owner. But, I feel like we have plenty (too many) laws regulating our gun rights.

Liberty above all else. No need for me to explain myself in what I choose to do within the legal parameters that exist. But, you asked.

I am more perplexed by you wanting to give the government more of your hard earn money to gain what exactly? Your own piece of mind? You want me to pay more money and waste my time to make you feel better about yourself?
Geez!
I really don't mind any buyer in any transaction having to take a background check. They're not perfect at all but way better than just selling to someone because they can prove they live in the same state. Idk maybe that makes me a commie.
 
I blame the huge influx of first time pandemic hysteria buyers.
They have no idea what any of this is.
They can't comprehend that you can't legally buy a gun off the internet, because according to the gun grabbers they have always listened to anyone can buy a machine gun with a silencer off the internet for $100.
 
The Las Vegas shooter legally bought all of his guns. He either passed a bgc or would have passed a bgc at the time he aquired his guns.

So. That makes you feel better and less responsible?

The shooter holds all responsibility for their actions! NOT THE PERSON WHO SOLD THEM THE GUN!!!!

Slow cookers and ball bearings were used to take life in Boston. Let''s blame Target for selling slow cookers. What logic?

We are going to start to require a carpenter's license if you want to buy a hammer. They are just too dangerous in the wrong people's hands.
Yeah actually. I get much more peace of mind if I sold a gun to someone who passed a background check than if I sold on to someone who didn't even take one. I know it sounds insane and I know the background check isn't infallible but if they pass I feel like I did everything I could do to verify they're ok to buy. If they don't even take one and end up being a shooter I'd feel really guilty and like I didn't do my due diligence.
 
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