Sgt. Stiglitz
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Picked up a Nice Walther PP Super in 9 Ultra. Always wanted one. Thought I would try some of the Fort Smith Solid copper TUI bullets just for fun. 9 Ultra is loaded with 98.8gr Truncated bullets that tumble. Current Fiocchi is loaded to 960+ fps. This thing was made in 1974 and it looks brand new, shot very little if at all! Ordered a spring kit for it cause the one in it are 46 years old and Walther has parts in stock! Spring kit arrived today, new recoil spring is the same length as the old one. have 700 rounds of 9 Ultra brass and just for grins I tried some 9 Makarov cases cause' they are virtually the same length sized down to accept a .355 bullet in 9MM dies.
Loaded up some 9x18 Mak cases sized in 9 MM Dies with .355 90-95gr .380 bullets, worked like a champ! Feed, cycle, eject like they were made for it, fit the chamber perfectly. They end up looking like 9 Mak rounds cause the magazines are made for truncated bullets not round nose ones......so you have to seat round nose FMJ's little deeper than normal. Using .380 load data. Dimensions are generous enough that Mak cases fit the breech faces on ALL my .380's. CZ, 82/83's Sig 238, Browning BDA, Walther PPK, Colt 1908 and even my Husqvarna 1907. They won't chamber all the way in the .380's cause the case is tapered and bigger in diameter. Didn't anyone ever try using Mak cases sized in 9 MM Dies? No split or bulged cases like you would get using 380's in the 9 MM Ultra. Started reloading .380's and everything else since 1982ish.
They work great the gun can't tell the difference. Used .380 load data for 95 gr bullets. 9 Mak was based off 9 Ultra. There is enough tolerances in the rims and gun so the little bigger rim of the 9 Mak works fine. Yes it will shoot and cycle .380's but the bulge a bit cause the cases are smaller in diameter, 9 Mak fit just like they were made for it. It's a keeper!
9 Mak cases are Red. 9 Ultra are Green the 3 in the center are .380's. 9 Mak and 9 Ultra are really thick walled at the rear of the cases. You can see the .380's bulge slightly near the base.
Assorted 9 Mak/9 Ultra reloads. Even cast lead truncated 100gr bullets work great!
My 9 Mak/9 Ultra reloads go about 990 fps.
9 Mak factory run about 1048 fps. I am using .380 load data for mine. I will load up some using 9 Mak data nextime. 9 Ultra has about 5% more capacity than .380's and the cases are significantly thicker like the Mak cases.
Loaded up some 9x18 Mak cases sized in 9 MM Dies with .355 90-95gr .380 bullets, worked like a champ! Feed, cycle, eject like they were made for it, fit the chamber perfectly. They end up looking like 9 Mak rounds cause the magazines are made for truncated bullets not round nose ones......so you have to seat round nose FMJ's little deeper than normal. Using .380 load data. Dimensions are generous enough that Mak cases fit the breech faces on ALL my .380's. CZ, 82/83's Sig 238, Browning BDA, Walther PPK, Colt 1908 and even my Husqvarna 1907. They won't chamber all the way in the .380's cause the case is tapered and bigger in diameter. Didn't anyone ever try using Mak cases sized in 9 MM Dies? No split or bulged cases like you would get using 380's in the 9 MM Ultra. Started reloading .380's and everything else since 1982ish.
They work great the gun can't tell the difference. Used .380 load data for 95 gr bullets. 9 Mak was based off 9 Ultra. There is enough tolerances in the rims and gun so the little bigger rim of the 9 Mak works fine. Yes it will shoot and cycle .380's but the bulge a bit cause the cases are smaller in diameter, 9 Mak fit just like they were made for it. It's a keeper!
9 Mak cases are Red. 9 Ultra are Green the 3 in the center are .380's. 9 Mak and 9 Ultra are really thick walled at the rear of the cases. You can see the .380's bulge slightly near the base.
Assorted 9 Mak/9 Ultra reloads. Even cast lead truncated 100gr bullets work great!
My 9 Mak/9 Ultra reloads go about 990 fps.
9 Mak factory run about 1048 fps. I am using .380 load data for mine. I will load up some using 9 Mak data nextime. 9 Ultra has about 5% more capacity than .380's and the cases are significantly thicker like the Mak cases.
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