Sneakshot92
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Glad i've got one of those on my wish list!
Now a 45-70 rifle/pistol package is in the works for me!!!
So any advantages of the a modern rifle in .45-70?
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Glad i've got one of those on my wish list!
Now a 45-70 rifle/pistol package is in the works for me!!!
I would be very afraid that I will break both of my wrists shooting any handgun in .45-70... Just how does someone handle one of those without doing so anyway?
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You sir are a veritable fountain of disinformation. A perfect reverse barometer.
I would debunk all of your nonsense but it's all been done before when you posted it before.
You make me tired.
Well I can't agree or disagree with either one of you, and I don't have dog in this fight anyway...
Dave DeLaurant
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I've only one 45-70 at the moment and 5 .44 Magnums (2 rifles, 3 handguns), but I wouldn't hesitate adding another 45-70 to my safe if the gun chambering it were to my liking.
My current 45-70 is a Ruger No.3 carbine that is all kinds of fun to shoot. An easy cartridge to handload to whatever power level you want -- a 350 grain lead bullet over a case of Trail Boss is easy enough on the shoulder to shoot all day, even in a light rifle like this.
My current 45-70 is a Ruger No.3 carbine that is all kinds of fun to shoot. An easy cartridge to handload to whatever power level you want -- a 350 grain lead bullet over a case of Trail Boss is easy enough on the shoulder to shoot all day, even in a light rifle like this.
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CraigC
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Amen!
troy fairweather
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Recoil is very manageable, I was shooting the bff when I was 12 or so.
I have a ported 1895G. Factory loads are pleasant and fun to shoot. My 405g hand loads at close to 2000fps are...stout.
Elkins45
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I paid $600 for this one with a 1-4 Leupold and 12 boxes of ammo at a gun show earlier this year. I’m a fan.
Robert you are a better man than me. I went there with 3031 and rest of rounds just sit on shelf. For sure not benchrest loads.
To answer yes a modern 45-70 can do it all and its fun. Can load from plinking fun to knocking the steel off the range.
I loaded 25 like 7 years ago. I still have 15 or so.
I wonder back during that shootout in LA where two armored car robbers armed with converted Polish AKs and wear massive amounts of body armor ended up in massive firefight with LA police... If the police had a rifle loaded with 45-70 charged with 500 grain bullets could have taken out both of them with only a few shots?
Might not have penetrated the armor, but it would have likey killed due to hydrostatic shock.
Even if it didn't wouldn't both of them been knocked right out of the firefight with massive injuries? Given the high number of bullets flying, I am suprised that the only fatalities were those two...
redneck2
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I have a friend that was goofing around with a Trapdoor back in his youth. He and his cousin were putting in a live round, then flipping the action to watch it pop back out. For whatever reason, it fired.
The round went through the wall of his bedroom into the living room. Went through the back of the recliner his aunt had just been sitting in, and hit the screen of the TV. Went through out the back of the TV and through the outside wall of their house and stopped in the wall of the neighbors house.
There is a world of difference between expanding bullets versus solid lead. There was a thing several years ago where they tested penetration of a hard cast bullet out of a very hot loaded .45 Colt. Went about 4 feet through wet newsprint.
Why in Hell were they doing that at all?
redneck2
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Because they were dumbass teenagers
I didn’t say it was smart. I just told you what happened
The penetration of a solid hard cast bullet is probably 4-6x that of an expanding bullet.
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troy fairweather
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When I was a kid dad was doing some long range shooting with a sharps in 45-120. We only had 800 yards back at the farm. We had a fiberglass pole with a flag down there, maybe 5' long. I remember sticking it in the holes from the misses in the dirt back stop. Never felt the bullets.
I wasn't that stupid back when I was a teenager. Considering what that bullet went through, I'm not sure there would be any expansion at all.
The .30-30, once they figured it out, proved to be more effective than a .45-70. What's changed since then is a few hundred fps have been added to the .45-70, but not enough to make it faster than a .30-30. Does the .45-70 with heavy bullets penetrate big bears better? Yes, but there's 458's for that and the 458's wound more decisively. For just about anything else, .30-30 is still better, and it's got to be one of the wimpiest smallbore rifle cartridges out there.
The .45-70 could be fun, it can certain take game, and it's traditional, but there are cartridges that do everything better. Now if it was necked-down to .33 Winchester, it would make a good rimmed deer cartridge for lever actions and single-shots, but not quite as good as the .348 Winchester. The .348 is useful all-around and with a bullet suitable to the task, a better choice than .45-70 for anything except maybe big bear defense for which the 45-70 still leaves a lot to be desired. Still, I think a lot of 45-70's sell for reasons other than big "bears." If it's for nostalgia, it's easy to understand. The 45-70 certainly has a place in history but as a "modern" cartridge, no, it's lame.
The .45-70 could be fun, it can certain take game, and it's traditional, but there are cartridges that do everything better. Now if it was necked-down to .33 Winchester, it would make a good rimmed deer cartridge for lever actions and single-shots, but not quite as good as the .348 Winchester. The .348 is useful all-around and with a bullet suitable to the task, a better choice than .45-70 for anything except maybe big bear defense for which the 45-70 still leaves a lot to be desired. Still, I think a lot of 45-70's sell for reasons other than big "bears." If it's for nostalgia, it's easy to understand. The 45-70 certainly has a place in history but as a "modern" cartridge, no, it's lame.
What is the heaviest bullets the 30-30 be loaded with? 180 or 200 grains?I would place the 7.62x39mm as the wimpiest hunter rifle centerfire cartridge...
Id call it blunt force trauma........
Depending on the gun, you could stuff 250grs in there and call it a rimmed whisper.....
The x39 loaded hot can come close to .30-30 balistics (some say exceed), but with more aerodynamic bullets, when compared to stuff fired from a lever gun. A strong bolt or single shot, and the .30-30s relatively weak case becomes a limiting factor....or so ive been told.
The only .30-30 i spent much time with was a break action h&r, and i shot 125 balistic tips from it
js8588
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I keep going back and forth over whether to buy a 45-70, 500 S&W, or 454 Casull lever gun.
This thread has me no closer to deciding.
Maybe one of each...
This thread has me no closer to deciding.
Maybe one of each...
Armorer 101
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Let’s see everyone thinks a 30-06 with a 200 at 2,700 FPS is quite capable. How about you add 100 grains to that, now what do you think? I built two 98 Mauser rifles in 45-70 they both are quite impressive with the 300 JHP to the 525 hard cast RCBS. This is one 98 on the top:
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wow. That is pretty impressive.
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