Mask With CCW

That may be my excuse for not wearing a mask

Agreed, Farmer.

Blessed to be working remotely

I would assume, on the unlikely chance I were stopped and asked to provide my permit, the officer would ask me to remove my mask long enough to make sure I matched the permit picture. Doesn't seem like a big deal.

I remember the first time I walked into a bank and stood in the teller line, carrying concealed (and legally), with a mostly empty backpack slung over my shoulder. I realized that except for my intentions, I was equipped the same as an armed robber.

Ability and Opportunity (2/3 of the AOJ triad) were both present. But I exhibited no intention to commit a crime (no Jeopardy=no intent to commit a crime as manifest by my words and/or actions as construed by a reasonable and prudent person). I conducted my transaction and left without incident.

Without seeing the details of your governor's order, the same principle may apply to carrying concealed while following his instructions regarding masks. But with a twist: carrying a gun while wearing a mask in, say, a bank, while your governor's order applies would not seem to me, by itself, to be manifesting the intention to rob the place. By contrast, six months ago, before anyone had heard of COVID19, walking into a bank carrying concealed while wearing the same mask might easily have been construed as manifesting intent to rob the place.

It is amazing how that phrase "reasonable and prudent person" changes the way that the law is applied...

Gotta tell you, the first time a guy came to the door of the gunshop was a little "thought provoking".

luzyfuerza said:

I realized that except for my intentions, I was equipped the same as an armed robber.

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Intention (the "mens rea") is a central element of a crime. There's a big difference between wearing a mask to facilitate a robbery and wearing one to prevent disease. Besides that, a lot of the anti-mask laws are being amended to take into account the current circumstances. No prosecutor is going to embarrass himself by making an issue of it.

I know here in Pa. it is against the law to wear any kind of masks while concealed carrying!

shootstraight57 said:

I know here in Pa. it is against the law to wear any kind of masks while concealed carrying!

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And the Good DR. JEN will kill you if you don't wear one.

https://www.pennlive.com/coronaviru...s-close-to-her-rankles-some-in-community.html

shootstraight57 said:

I know here in Pa. it is against the law to wear any kind of masks while concealed carrying!

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So, the reason for CC is to prevent others from knowing you are armed. But if you follow the law by not masking when carrying, that could be a sign you are carrying. Conveniently, a LOT of folks are going without masks for a variety of reasons, including simply, "I don't wanna," so you would blend right in.

While masks are sometimes forbidden by law, masks are now being mandated not by law but by governors' orders. We have long understood the term scofflaw. Do we now need to coin the word scofford?

Just curious
1. You have a law requiring you to wear a mask while inside a building?
2. You have a law prohibiting wearing a mask while cc a gun?

This sums up to: no ccw inside of a building.

Am i right?

So I go out in public with my big stockman's hat, pulled low over my eyes, and my bandana covering my mouth and nose. The aging Colt, hidden on my person, doesn't show. But any casual stranger is going to take one look at me, and just know it's there. I could have stepped off the set as a Hollywood extra, another bad man about to rob the stage. No ingenue's jewelry is safe.

I have this overwhelming impulse to walk up to strangers and pronounce, "Your toilet paper or your life."

I've been waiting for this chance all my life.

I wear a mask in public areas to protect you and myself from a virus! I carry a concealed weapon for the same reason!

WisBorn said:

I wear a mask in public areas to protect you and myself from a virus! I carry a concealed weapon for the same reason!

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I am not sure the mask in Public is made to prevent you from getting the virus, but more for you to spreading it if, you do have it. Regardless, the fact is, if you have a concealed weapon, no one should know anyway. I wear a mask on most occasions more to prevent a confrontation that could exist from some whack job that wants one simply because I am not wearing one, like the demented nut case I posted about above.
. Wearing Open carry and a mask might not be the smartest thing to do. Common sense should prevail. Situational awareness and prevention are the best choice.

They did a study, a while back, and found out that the average person, in the course of pursuing their normal day was very
likely to break the law at least nine times, before they stepped back over their threshold, into the safety of their homes.

That makes it sound, to me, like legislators WANT us to break the laws, because they made so many different conflicting and confusing ones.
Maybe what we need to do, as a society, on the whole, is go on a "legislative diet", and start slashing away some of the jurisprudential flab, and unnecessary
laws which hobble the average person's every move.

Perhaps eliminating three laws, every time we make a new one, would help.

Dibbs said:

They did a study, a while back, and found out that the average person, in the course of pursuing their normal day was very
likely to break the law at least nine times, before they stepped back over their threshold, into the safety of their homes.

That makes it sound, to me, like legislators WANT us to break the laws, because they made so many different conflicting and confusing ones.
Maybe what we need to do, as a society, on the whole, is go on a "legislative diet", and start slashing away some of the jurisprudential flab, and unnecessary
laws which hobble the average person's every move.

Perhaps eliminating three laws, every time we make a new one, would help.

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There is no conspiracy that legislatures want us to break laws. You are implying an intent where none exists with a justification that you can't justify. When you look at how many of the laws came into existing, you will realize that many of them came about as a result of real life incidents that resulted in harm to some party. So the legislatures created laws to counter the problems and the often times have to create new laws where people find work arounds to the prior laws and after a time, the whole mess becomes confounded.

Yes, there are a lot of laws. Yes, they can be confusing. However, these factors alone do not indicate any sort of intent by legislatures to want people to violate the laws created.

Do we need a sort of legislative diet to cut the flab and make the legal system easier to understand? Sure. Many of the laws that people break every day (that you mentioned) are laws that are outdated and no longer relevant. Outdated laws need to be removed and conflicted laws, such as covid mask issues and concealed carry issues need to be deconflicted. However, be careful what you ask for. You know one of the first categories of laws that legislative dieters will cutback on will pertain directly to and likely include the 2nd Amendment.

FYI, you don't need to wear a mask, if you have a medical condition that precludes it, and you don't need to prove or even explain the condition.

https://www.ramw.org/blog/va-execut...ent-wear-face-covering-while-inside-buildings

Exception 6:
Persons with health conditions that prohibit wearing a face covering. Nothing in this Order shall require the use of a face covering by any person for whom doing so would be contrary to his or her health or safety because of a medical condition. Any person who declines to wear a face covering because of a medical condition shall not be required to produce or carry medical documentation verifying the stated condition nor shall the person be required to identify the precise underlying medical condition.

"Any person who declines to wear a face covering because of a medical condition shall not be required to produce or carry medical documentation verifying the stated condition nor shall the person be required to identify the precise underlying medical condition."

Fine, but then the owner/proprietor/agent can tell the refuser that they are not welcome in their private establishment...right? As in "no shirt/no shoes/no service"?

jonnyc said:

Gotta tell you, the first time a guy came to the door of the gunshop was a little "thought provoking".

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Haha! I’ve picked up a couple of firearms these past few weeks, I just can’t bring myself to walk into a gun shop or gunsmith wearing a mask. I’d rather risk infection than risk mistaken motives! I’ve offered to put on a mask after I’ve made introductions, though.

shootstraight57 said:

I know here in Pa. it is against the law to wear any kind of masks while concealed carrying!

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Same in IL-ANNOY. BUT, just to demonstrate the arrogant stupidity of Gov. "Jabba", he has stated that he will leave the enforcement of the "no masks for CCW" up to the discretion of the police.

I think folks need to chill out, some want to confound virus/mask blather with gun rights to come up with some reason not to wear a mask. That's not really a topic for Legal if you read its charge.

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