Siderlock Safety for Glock

Why I like my P7s..............release the squeeze cocker and the gun is safe

briansmithwins said:

That’s the one problem I have with Glocks. We teach that you shouldn’t even touch the trigger until you have a target in your sights, yet with a Glock you have to include the ‘unless you need to disassemble the pistol’.

I very much prefer the classic Sig’s manual of arms where the design of the pistol forces you to open the slide in order to operate the takedown latch. Mechanically requiring the user to clear the gun prior to disassembly leaves so much less room for operation error.

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I think this might belong in the 'negligent discharge' thread..If one isn't careful or knowledgeable enough to remove the magazine, open the slide, clear the weapon, before pulling the trigger to disassemble..maybe they DO need some sort of add-on 'safety' gizmo...

Ya know, know yer weapon, follow it's own 'manual or arms...???

FFGCOLORADO said:

I think this might belong in the 'negligent discharge' thread..If one isn't careful or knowledgeable enough to remove the magazine, open the slide, clear the weapon, before pulling the trigger to disassemble..maybe they DO need some sort of add-on 'safety' gizmo...

Ya know, know yer weapon, follow it's own 'manual or arms...???

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They probably shouldnt be handling anything firearm related.

George P said:

Why I like my P7s..............release the squeeze cocker and the gun is safe

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Thr NJSP had some "holstering" issues and a number of ND's with the P7's when they were carrying them. They are great guns, but again, you need to know what you have and how they work.

The main thing I learned with mine was, you need to basically dedicate yourself to that gun, if you plan on carrying it. Its not a gun you "rotate", like some seem to like to do.

That squeeze cocker works in both directions too, and you need to have that cocking ingrained into your brain, or you might have a dead trigger when you were expecting a bang.

You also need good trigger discipline. If your finger is on that trigger when the gun is "squeezed", it will go bang.

FFGCOLORADO said:

I think this might belong in the 'negligent discharge' thread..If one isn't careful or knowledgeable enough to remove the magazine, open the slide, clear the weapon, before pulling the trigger to disassemble..maybe they DO need some sort of add-on 'safety' gizmo...

Ya know, know yer weapon, follow it's own 'manual or arms...???

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I’m not arguing that it’s isn’t negligent to pull the trigger before clearing the pistol. Just that Glock’s design that requires that you pull the trigger isn’t helping the end user. People make mistakes, they get tired, work too many hours, or need to do work at zero dark thirty.

My preference is for designs where the engineering forces you to do the right thing so, no matter how tired or untrained someone is, they have to do the right thing because they don’t have a choice.

BSW

briansmithwins said:

I’m not arguing that it’s isn’t negligent to pull the trigger before clearing the pistol. Just that Glock’s design that requires that you pull the trigger isn’t helping the end user. People make mistakes, they get tired, work too many hours, or need to do work at zero dark thirty.

My preference is for designs where the engineering forces you to do the right thing so, no matter how tired or untrained someone is, they have to do the right thing because they don’t have a choice.

BSW

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Even after checking the chamber, I still point the gun at a safe backstop. My heart skips a beat any time I drop the striker or a hammer on an 'empty' chamber while not at a range with the gun pointing down range.

barnetmill said:

Topic of how glocks discharging while being holstered has been much discussed here. That is why I use the tau device. It does not need to be disengaged to fire the gun. But it can be used to make sure the trigger is not being snagged/pulled by like a shirt tail when holstering. Still not idiot proof, but what is.

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Reminds me of the striker indicator that was on the Walther P99s. The rear of the back plate had a hole where the back of the striker comes out and the back of the striker was red. The AS model is a DA/SA striker fired pistol. Seeing that little red striker meant you were either in Single action mode or something was pulling your trigger. Unlike the TAU, putting your finger on the back of a P99 striker will not stop it. It just gives you a heads up that your gun is about to fire.

FFGCOLORADO said:

Ya know, know yer weapon, follow it's own 'manual or arms...???

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The order is the most important. I cannot recall how many times I stopped a NG from happening because someone cycled the slide by hand WITHOUT removing the magazine first.

For an example of engineering controls done right the CGA standard gas fittings are great.

Oxygen, flammable gases, and inert gases all have different connectors, so no matter how tired or untrained the user is you can’t connect a bottle of hydrogen to an oxygen line. The people that designed the standard knew that people would make mistakes and designed to take people into account.

https://www.concoa.com/cgachart.html

BSW

el Godfather said:

Well said.
I just dont get it that guys are having ADs holstering weapon. I just dont.

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It is fact, especially with the police relative to reholstering ND discharges.
Ideally in the safety world people try to engineer out the danger or hazard. The next best is to barricade or put up guards like a gun's manual safety. The lest reliable is to educate people not to do the unsafe act.
As mentioned already

For an example of engineering controls done right the CGA standard gas fittings are great.

Oxygen, flammable gases, and inert gases all have different connectors, so no matter how tired or untried the user is you can’t connect a bottle of hydrogen to an oxygen line. The people that designed the standard knew that people would make mistakes and designed to take people into account.

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Yep, reholstering and cleaning NDs are very common

briansmithwins said:

I’m not arguing that it’s isn’t negligent to pull the trigger before clearing the pistol. Just that Glock’s design that requires that you pull the trigger isn’t helping the end user. People make mistakes, they get tired, work too many hours, or need to do work at zero dark thirty.

My preference is for designs where the engineering forces you to do the right thing so, no matter how tired or untrained someone is, they have to do the right thing because they don’t have a choice.

BSW

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If you are knowledgeable, it isn't hurting the end user either. Glock isn't responsible for 'stupid'...any more than Colt is for this guy...designing for the lowest comon denominator may work for some things but not for FIREARMS, IMHO...

'Doing the right thing' is THE choice. You are dealing with a FIREARM, not a lawn mower.....but you know that..

The main attraction to aftermarket Glock manual safeties is maintaining access to dirt cheap magazines and a plethora of accessories and parts due to the platform's popularity. No way around that. Are there better-engineered manual safeties on other guns? Probably.