Loyalist Dave
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Here's a simplified version that I use...,
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alsaqr
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What Loyalist Dave said. i've taken squirrels through 384 pound wild hogs with .50 and .54 caliber muzzleloaders.
What matters most is bullet placement.
What matters most is bullet placement.
Bfh_auto said:
Culled quite a few of (smaller) S. TX whitetail does and feral hogs (avg 150#) w/55 gr NBT's from a .223 AR over the years. Granted, careful CNS placement, but the 55 gr. NBT's result in DTR when applied properly. The 62 gr. NP will hold together better but 55 NBT will do the job if no heavy bone interferes.We think alike, horsey. I have, but (too) seldom shoot .22 RF, used both 223 & 243 WSSM AR's for coyote, hog control & culling small S TX whitetails (best coyote medicine on the planet IMO) until land owner banned AR's on his ranches (broke my heart, too). Looked for a 243 or 308 bolt gun to replace the AR's and found a .308 Savage scout first. Short, light and the 308 w/110 gr. Varmageddon, or even 125 gr NBT, is very close to ballistics of the 243 and really smacks the coyotes. (Fur not good in S TX, so the 243 or 308 is perfect, even at longer ranges & buck wind much better than the .223).
No shortage of 30-06's around here, either,
but my all around favorite for nilgai, oryx & gemsbok is the .338 WM. 210 gr. NP flat shooting out to 300 and hammers all the above. In fact, since I sold my 375 h&h, plan to use a 300 gr. in the 338 if I get to hunt eland again. 
Bfh_auto said:
I primarily hunt coyotes, but when landowner asked me to cull hogs/whitetail does, I often did so with my .223 AR, while loaded for coyotes w/55 gr. NBT's......they do the job just fine w/careful placement.
entropy said:
They are! Pretty sure he used a solid, or at least an A-Frame as he was hunting buffalo at the time. Mount turned out good; don't know if taxidermist had to do any sewing or not, but if so, it doesn't show.
Have taken a number of coyotes w/338 WM & 375 h&h and a number of hogs & whitetail (does) with .223 & 55 gr. NBT's. Ideal? Maybe not, but applied properly, they work when that's what ya got in yer hand at the moment.
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hps
Garandimal
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A 270 w/150 gr. bullet becomes a 30-06 and a 30-06 w/125 0r 130 gr bullet becomes a 270. VV
View attachment 9266915 shot groups benched @ 100 yds. 125 gr NBT @ 3050 fps. Center group measured .665" . First group, low right measured .65"
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hps
On that note:
Generally shoot 150 gr. .270 WCF, unless it's TSX or Trophy Copper.
...and have no qualms what so ever w/ the .30-06/ 180 gr... out of my 10.5 lb. M1 Rifle.
(although the Federal 168 gr. TSX load is impressive)
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WestKentucky
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My first few deer were shot with a gun that is almost universally seen as too small for deer. And the violent expansion of the ultra lightweight bullet at high velocity did a fine job on anchoring the deer. I’m really confused as to why people make such a big fuss over what’s “proper” or not because with very little exception any round will do. Those exceptions essentially being rimfire rounds, and antiquated pocket pistol rounds (25acp, 32acp, 32swl etc). All the others just work differently, and some are more suited to a role than others, but they will all do the job. From my little .256 Winchester Magnum up through naval deck guns, they all work but work differently. Place a round in the right spot and dinner dies. Some calibers have a bigger “right spot” while others are quite small. Gotta be able to hit the spot... or find fur after than naval bombardment of the bunny patch.
Why did the land owner ban AR's? Thanks.
What kind of .416 Remington Magnum is that? I had been wanting a .416 Rigby, but after doing more research, it seems that the .416 Rem Mag might be a more logical choice, due to the ammunition apparently being more readily available and less expensive, though I'm not exactly sure why that is the case. Thanks.
Garandimal said:
180's are fine in the Garand so long as proper powder used to keep port pressure within bounds. The M72 Match ammo (173 gr bullet) was issued and used by Army AMU's in the Garand. Problem is with heavy bullets it is common to use slower powders which run port pressures up. I don't use factory ammo, so no issue, but I'd be leary of heavier factory, not knowing what powder they used.
Someone shot up a sounder of wild hogs, leaving several wounded animals for landowner and foreman to put out of their misery. Landowner expects better from his hunters and, understandably, was very upset about the situation. Finding a bunch of 5.56 brass scattered around, he apparently assumed the rifle was an AR and acted accordingly. I can only hope the perpetrators were banned as well, but he may not have been able to identify the perps; it is a very large ranch. Of course, I would have preferred that route than banning the rifle, but he is a very principled person and it is his land. I fully understand his rage at the totally unacceptable actions of the slobs responsible.
It is a RUM, which he chose for same reasons you state, and he has been very happy with the choice.
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hps
ARs are not the only semi auto rifle that shoots 5.56x45mm... There also the Mini-14 as well and many others. I personally would make sure that any shot I fire will kill the animal cleanly and follow said prey to make a second shot if needed if the first one doesn't. Now I don't have any actual hunting experience, but been around enough hunters to know that it is important to do this.
I know, all the constant "assault rifle" rants, I guess. He takes hunter ethics very seriously, as I do, so I understand where he's coming from.
A retired government trapper and I have done ADC for him on three ranches totaling over 20,000 acres in three counties for many years. He knows my favorite rifle for that purpose was an AR and, try as I might, I couldn't talk him into grandfathering mine. It was a sad day for me to step back to a bolt gun, but I do respect his goal of enforcing high hunter ethical standards. It's a shame that some do not conduct themselves in an ethical manner in the field and cast a shadow over the rest of us.
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hps
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How does he feel about hunting handguns? Single shot Rifles and Pistols?
I don't know if handguns or SS rifles have ever come up, but I did ask about archery, as my son was an accomplished archer, having hunted plains game in Africa and he said that would be fine, although I've not seen anyone else use a bow over the past 20 years, at least. Primarily, he is a strict fair chase hunter and expects others to behave accordingly. I totally agree, and not finishing of wounded animals is disgusting.
I did notice I failed to complete the following sentence in my previous post:
I know, all the constant "assault rifle" rants, I guess. He takes hunter ethics very seriously, as I do, so I understand where he's coming from, I just wish he had targeted the perpetrators, not the perceived firearm.
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hps
Well he could require a minimum caliber size.
I'd hate to see that. Personally, I'd regulate bad behavior (which he does to a large extent*), not hardware, but unfortunately I don't get to make the rules
. *Almost all of his rules govern behavior, not hardware, and that's a good thing.For instance, I used the .223 AR for ADC for years and when asked to cull hogs, then whitetail does I did so in conjunction with my ADC efforts. The .223 is perfectly adequate for all three, but careful shot placement is required, and not all shots should be taken. IMO, too many rely on larger caliber to make up for misplaced shots with questionable results.
Running a hunting operation is not an easy task. I managed a hunting lease for over 20 years. Started out with a handshake and a few basic reminders. Hunters of that era had mostly grown up hunting with their mentors, and understood the ethics expected and adhered to by most. With passing years, a rule was added here and there until I found it necessary to provide a set of written rules as new hunters came along, some of which had not had the benefit of growing up around a hunting camp. The last few years, it seemed that what had been basic in years past had to be added to the written rules and required a heavier hand occasionally to enforce the rules. I'm glad I no longer have to make the rules.
Regards,
hps
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Those'd probably cover it in a pinch, if for some very odd reason those were all you could get. I can't imagine a scenario in which someone who could afford to hunt game that required something like a .416 Rigby would be limited to only 3 rifles though.
The Few your friend had to deal with give Hunting a bad name.I'd hate to see that. Personally, I'd regulate bad behavior (which he does to a large extent*), not hardware, but unfortunately I don't get to make the rules
For instance, I used the .223 AR for ADC for years and when asked to cull hogs, then whitetail does I did so in conjunction with my ADC efforts. The .223 is perfectly adequate for all three, but careful shot placement is required, and not all shots should be taken. IMO, too many rely on larger caliber to make up for misplaced shots with questionable results.
Running a hunting operation is not an easy task. I managed a hunting lease for over 20 years. Started out with a handshake and a few basic reminders. Hunters of that era had mostly grown up hunting with their mentors, and understood the ethics expected and adhered to by most. With passing years, a rule was added here and there until I found it necessary to provide a set of written rules as new hunters came along, some of which had not had the benefit of growing up around a hunting camp. The last few years, it seemed that what had been basic in years past had to be added to the written rules and required a heavier hand occasionally to enforce the rules. I'm glad I no longer have to make the rules.
Regards,
hps
That is a very good point.
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