Fall Hunting Season Has Begun

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Johnm1

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Well, the preparations for it have anyhow. Last Friday Arizona Game and Fish hit my credit card for both Deer and Fall Turkey. The official notification hasn't been posted yet, so I don't know what unit I got. In Arizona you submit your choice of five 1 week hunts in the order of preference for each species. But, I know I'll be hunting this fall. I didn't get drawn for Big Horn Sheep unless that drawing is drawn after deer and turkey. Big Horn Sheep in Arizona is a once in a lifetime draw. I know, generally, where they are in my unit. Heck, I've been within 40 yards of a herd and we just stared at each other. But I would hire the local rancher as my pseudo guide. He has the horses and he can see their habitat by looking out the back or front door. There are only two tags for that unit this year. There used to be only one, so getting one is a longshot and you can't waste the opportunity. There are only 122 total tags issued for Big Horn Sheep in the entire state. Once you have been drawn for sheep you are precluded from being drawn for sheep again regardless if you were successful or not. Tough love in Arizona.

Now choices have to be made. Last year I wanted to hunt with my Krag Carbine and was successful. It really wasn't the best choice for the desert terrain that I hunt in. Wide open desert mostly and little opportunity to stalk close. That being said, both of the deer I have harvested in that unit were less than 100 yards (70 and 35). But I wanted to harvest a deer with that Carbine. Now is the time to choose the rifle for this year and I have a lot to choose from. 1898 Krag Rifle in full military trim, Enfield No. 4 - one of the ones that was manufactured and put directly into storage. Also in full military trim. Remington Rolling Block in 7 Mauser, military trim I guess, the old tried and true Remington 700 ADL 270 Box Store Special that I bought my daughter 10 years ago. Cheap, ugly, and the best shooting rifle I have possession of with a cold barrel. I could go short range again with a Ruger 44 Carbine (the original one) or a recently acquired Winchester Model 1910 in .401 WSL. Both shoot really well but would be more of a limited, under 150 yard gun. I suppose I'll need to know what unit I'm hunting in to make the final rifle decision. My normal unit lends itself to longer shots. But if I got one of my secondary unit selections, a short range rifle might not be a bad choice.

All of those to choose from but I am leaning on a Mannlicher Schoenauer Model 1952 in 270 that I picked up earlier this year. It is pristine but I would need to scope it.

Of all of the shotguns I own, the old S&W 916T will get the call for the Fall Turkey season. 12 gauge pump 3" magnum with a 30" barrel. Bought it new in 1980 something and it has taken more game than any other rifle or shotgun I own. I took my first Arizona turkey with it 4 or 5 years ago. It's not a bad looking shotgun but it has a terrible reputation for failures. It was the reason S&W got out of the shotgun business back in the late 80's. It was geared for sale to police organizations (916A) but had a recall and was still unreliable enough that it tarnished S&W's reputation. They didn't make another shotgun for a while after discontinuing the 916 series. Although I have had my issues with it, I can always make it work. Take it apart and make sure none of the internal parts are bent (that was my problem with them) and keep it clean and it doesn't malfunction. The Fox Sterlingworths will stay relegated to Dove and Quail. But they have no competition when hunting dove or quail.

To keep this from being just me rambling on about what rifle to use, even though that is what this is, of the listed rifles, what would be your choice for Highish Desert/Mountain terrain generally below 5500' in elevation? If I get a secondary choice it would be in a more forested/mountain terrain generally all above 5500' in elevation? Some of the cross canyon shots here could be on the long side. What would you use there?
 
G&F finally posted the full results and I drew my first choice for deer and second choice for Turkey.

Deer will be second season, mid-November hunting a new moon. Looks like the rifle will be the Mannlicher-Schonaur in 270. Just need to scope it.

Turkey will be the first week in October above the Mogolin Rim north of Happy Jack. This is the same unit I got my elk four years ago. I preferred just below the rim because I am more familiar with where the turkeys are. Two years ago I got a heavy snow while hunting turkeys that same week in the adjacent unit. No turkeys though. The S&W 916T will get that call.
 
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We have prairie dogs instead of groundhogs in Arizona. Had a buddy who had a neighbor with a ranch in Concho Az. we were invited to. Rimfire only but it was free. I brought my eldest who was probably 15 or so. Started out real slow but once they woke up it was mayhem. Must have killed 150 among the three of us. I couldn't shake the feeling that this must be illegal somehow. What a day it was. I lost contact with him when I changed jobs.

Next up in preparation is breaking out the Sterlingworth and practicing for dove season.
 
Well, I just thought of another option for Fall turkey this year. I bought a Savage 24 in .223 over 12 gauge 3" magnum. That would provide some versatility to the hunt. Last time I hunted turkey, unsuccessfully in the adjacent unit I did manage to harvest a beautiful coyote. Being it was in the high country and approaching winter her coat was gorgeous. I'd need to do some work with that firearm to see where the sights are for both .223 and 12 gauge. They are notorious for not being regulated to each other. I really had no plans to scope it but might have to if the sight is too divergent from one another. It is heavy though.

Just a thought.
 
I always wanted a 24 in .223/12ga.

I'm almost certainly going to have to hand load for the .223 barrel on the Model 24. Savage has used 1-7", 1-9", 1-12" and 1-14" twist in their .223 Model 24's over the years. Unfortunately mine is 1-14" by my crude measuring using a tight patch and counting the turns. In essence it is like shooting a .222 Remington with a slightly different case. It does shoot the 55 grains marginally at short range but I'm going to try to find some 40-45 grain projectiles and load something that works well in that firearm.
 
To keep this from being just me rambling on about what rifle to use, even though that is what this is, of the listed rifles, what would be your choice for Highish Desert/Mountain terrain generally below 5500' in elevation? If I get a secondary choice it would be in a more forested/mountain terrain generally all above 5500' in elevation? Some of the cross canyon shots here could be on the long side. What would you use there?

You know your guns and you know where and how you like to hunt. You're in a much better place to make those choices than any of us here. Hunting weapons are for the most part, a highly subjective choice. Kinda why there are so many choices. Used to be I would hunt with whatever weapon would give me the highest chance of being successful. Nowadays, I hunt with weapons because of the nostalgia or the challenge of the hunt. Hunt success is based on the quality and challenge of the hunt itself and not by what's in the back of the jeep. I hunt not to feed my hunger or my ego, but to feed my soul. Others feel differently and I understand because over the years I have been in their shoes too. One has to realize and accept the stage of hunting they are in at the moment and go with it. While I could certainly afford to pay to shoot a 170" or greater buck with a outfitter, I'd rather shoot a pencil horn I shot with a revolver after sneaking up to him in the swamp. Over the years I have passed on many Toms early in the season because I enjoy calling them more than shooting them. Some need to prove themselves a worthy hunter to others, me, I don't feel the need to prove anything anymore, when it comes to hunting.

So, choose your weapon with the urge to satisfy your desires and needs. Sounds like you have plenty to choose from and know how and where they are most effective. The gun is going to be in your hands during your hunt. Why would you want someone else telling what to use?
 
Why would you want someone else telling what to use?

Too many choices. And to banter in conversation with others.

I'm leaning heavily towards the Savage 24 but I have a lot of work to do before I can rely on that one. At this point I have no idea of how the rifle/shotgun are regulated to each other. I suspect the existing sights won't be usable for both. I really don't want to scope this thing. A scope just seems out of place on this combination gun but if the sights are not regulated well enough to use on both, a scope may be the only option. The fall back is always the Smith & Wesson 916T. I have confidence with that shotgun. The one drawback to the 24 is it is heavy and there is a lot of movement hunting fall turkey here in Arizona.

Nowadays, I hunt with weapons because of the nostalgia or the challenge of the hunt.

I too chose my firearms with nostalgia and challenge included in the decision. For my first deer in Arizona I chose the most accurate firearm I have possession of. A silly box store Remington 700 ADL but it gave me the best chance of harvesting a deer. The next year I chose a Enfield No. 4 Mk 2 and last year it was an 1898 Krag Carbine sporterized in the the 50's. That one worked and there was so much satisfaction in using it.
 
Too many choices. And to banter in conversation with others.

IMHO, not that many choices. As for the banter.....what these types of threads turns into is similar to "what gun should I buy next?" threads. Folks all chime in with "get what I have" or "get what I want!", because insecure folks feel that if someone else uses what they do, it verifies their choice to them. You say one gun(the 24) you own is too heavy. 7#s? Very subjective. Yet your other alternative the 916, depending on the barrel, may weigh even more.

When I was young and inexperienced, I asked folks what I should use. While I got some good feedback, I also got a lot of B.S. and "just use what I use!". What I found out as time and my experience grew, was that no one knew my guns, my skill with them and my methods of hunting as well as I did. The best person to tell me what to grab every morning, was the one looking back at my in the mirror as I brushed my teeth.

JMTCs.
 
As for the banter.....what these types of threads turns into is similar to "what gun should I buy next?" threads. Folks all chime in with "get what I have" or "get what I want!",

Well, it hasn't so far. Except Armored farmer wants a M 24. This is the third one I've owned. Both the others just didn't shoot well enough for me. One was 22 Magnum over 410, the other was 22 LR over 20 gauge. The 22 Magnum was just too much for squirrel. The 22 LR over 20 gauges seemed to be the best for the squirrel hunting I do here in Arizona, except I could never hit anything with the 22 LR. Probably due to the terrible trigger pull. The 24 F I have now has an acceptable trigger pull and shoots the rifle pretty well.

your other alternative the 916, depending on the barrel, may weigh even more

Good point. 8 lbs vs. 7 in favor of the S&W. Not sure a pound really makes a difference.
 
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