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Actually, it’s 1:7 twist...military never used 1:9. And the military switched to M855, 62gr steel penetrator “Green Tip”” ammo in 1982. And it’s been kick’n Arse & Tak’n names REGARDLESS!
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Actually, it’s 1:7 twist...military never used 1:9. And the military switched to M855, 62gr steel penetrator “Green Tip”” ammo in 1982. And it’s been kick’n Arse & Tak’n names REGARDLESS!
Garandimal
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And bangin' away at a 16" gong, all day long, at 400 yards, from field positions, w/ an M1 Rifle, will slow a troop down, STG44 Sturm Gewehr or M16.
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Garandimal
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Even worse.
(unless penetrating a helmet at range is important)
Still, it's not the round that made it famous... it's the one that's gettin' replaced.
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O....K...??
All three start with a letter M!
All three start with a letter M!
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Actually, it’s 1:7 twist...military never used 1:9. And the military switched to M855, 62gr steel penetrator “Green Tip”” ammo in 1982.
I thought the 1:7 was to stabilize the light but longer tracer projectile, not the slightly heaver M855.
I thought the 1:7 was to stabilize the light but longer tracer projectile, not the slightly heaver M855.
Garandimal
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O....K...??
All three start with a letter M!
There ya go, troop!
Pick yer poison.
(P.S. was issued an A1 back when Reagan was President)
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[QUOTEI thought the 1:7 was to stabilize the light but longer tracer projectile, not the slightly heaver M855.[/QUOTE]
Correct. Twist rate is Always about length of projectile. But, as *most are concerned, the longer the projectile is, the heavier it is. And even the 62gr is far to long for the 1:12 twist. Shoot...I would wager better accuracy has been obtained with 55gr m193s using the 1:7 over the 1:12.
Correct. Twist rate is Always about length of projectile. But, as *most are concerned, the longer the projectile is, the heavier it is. And even the 62gr is far to long for the 1:12 twist. Shoot...I would wager better accuracy has been obtained with 55gr m193s using the 1:7 over the 1:12.
1942bull
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To be clear I was issued an M1 in 1960 when it was the infantry rifle of the Corps. It was replaced my the M14 in 1964. I went to Nam with an M14 that was later changed out to the M16 in 1966. By then they had cured the faults with corrosion and the guns were better than the first ones issued. Still I wished I had had an M1 there. The M14 and M16 had problems with dirt fouling that the M1 never had. My two years in combat ended just at the end of the TET offensive when we were just mopping up in Hue City. An NVA soldier ended my military career then. Vietnam was not a good place to be in the best of times.
entropy
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Time travelling sniper?
I know it was just a typo of M14.
I was issued an A1 in 1986; us REMF's had A1's, the Infantry in the 7th ID(L) had A2's.
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I was never “Issued”, rather I Chose to build my first AR in 2005. Yeah, yeah...I know...I know... vs an M16. Well, I’ve had more hours as well on the M16 than you would think. I even know by heart, the exact place to drill the 3rd “No-No” hole that turns the Lower into an FFL Class III item. LOL. I’m actually not a fan of full auto, even burst. So, never felt the need to make one. Anyway, I digress.
My point was the old adage of something Chosen vs something Given...Ya know? Tongue in cheek obviously.
To the OP, go with your gut. If you feel drawn to “buying it”, then you have the answer.
My point was the old adage of something Chosen vs something Given...Ya know? Tongue in cheek obviously.
To the OP, go with your gut. If you feel drawn to “buying it”, then you have the answer.
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1942 - Don't know about your experience but for me we were issued M-14's in the early summer of 1963 at MCRD PI later that year at Infantry Training Regiment in LeJeune were issued M 1's and exposed to the rest of the small arms. Did not see M 16's until, as you say, 1964. I always preferred the M-14, not that I had a choice.
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I sure hope so. I like the Garand and M14 to a lesser extent. I would like to own one or both even though they are "before my time" service rifles.
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And for anyone wanting a Garand or other US surplus firearm, the CMP is THE place to learn about all the problems and solutions that are around in my opinion.. Here's the portion of their site that's been my educator on the subject... http://forums.thecmp.org/index.php
Something for everyone there... unfortunately for me I was learning about carbines - but came to late to the table to be able to ever buy a serviceable one at a cost I could afford. That's not the situation yet with Garands but that will end eventually... Good luck on whatever you choose and post up what you come up with eventually...
Something for everyone there... unfortunately for me I was learning about carbines - but came to late to the table to be able to ever buy a serviceable one at a cost I could afford. That's not the situation yet with Garands but that will end eventually... Good luck on whatever you choose and post up what you come up with eventually...
moose1858
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My old man being a Marine taught me how to shoot and care for my rifles (“there are many like it but this one is mine”)
I wholehearted agree with your efforts to be reunited with yours!
Personally my experiences with the CMP has exceeded all expectations!
The Springfield M1 I received from them was made the week of the Pearl Harbor attack and besides a joy to shoot is holding a piece of history. It should not take much practice to refamiliarize and avoid M1 thumb but a fellow shooter swears by the Holbrook Device he swapped out due to his Arthritis in his hands.
The bore being most critical to accuracy I would be inclined to take your friends advice and pay the fair price to the widow.
Knowing that her late husband’s treasured firearm is being passed on to someone who might appreciate it as much as he might mean a lot to her and his memory. Who knows what provenance, stories or even accessories she might have to go along with it.
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I wholehearted agree with your efforts to be reunited with yours!
Personally my experiences with the CMP has exceeded all expectations!
The Springfield M1 I received from them was made the week of the Pearl Harbor attack and besides a joy to shoot is holding a piece of history. It should not take much practice to refamiliarize and avoid M1 thumb but a fellow shooter swears by the Holbrook Device he swapped out due to his Arthritis in his hands.
The bore being most critical to accuracy I would be inclined to take your friends advice and pay the fair price to the widow.
Knowing that her late husband’s treasured firearm is being passed on to someone who might appreciate it as much as he might mean a lot to her and his memory. Who knows what provenance, stories or even accessories she might have to go along with it.
moose
there is room for all of God’s creatures ... right next to the mashed potatos.
Garandimal
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Just check the CMP Sales page regularly.
Service Grade M1 Rifle is still a great deal.
Use the time to get your paperwork and qualifications in order.
As for "before my time"...?
Like a good axe, the M1 Rifle solves all the same problems it always did.
It is a timeless and classy classic.
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mustanger98
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My Granddaddy was a WW2 Army vet... a BARman who put it down and picked up a Garand when the opportunity presented itself. He always spoke highly of it, but perceived no personal reason to own one. Between him and several other vets, I got the picture that M1 thumb happens when you're goofing around and not paying attention. While I've always been a civilian, my experience with any Garand I've had the pleasure of handling hasn't included M1 thumb.
Yes the Service Grade Garand from CMP is a great rifle.
A Special Grade is also great if Service grades are not available. They are about as "new" a Garand as can be had today. New barrel and stock, re-parkerized the rest of the parts. They are a bit more expensive than a Service grade though.
Just a side note on M1 Garand builds, unlike many contemporary military rifles, the parts in an M1 Garand are not matched marked for the rifle they are installed in. Most of the parts installed in a Garand have a design number marked on them and they can be referenced back to a date range when the parts were manufactured (revision numbers as part of the design numbers). Many Garand purists use these numbers to insure a Garand has parts from the period that the particular Garand was manufactured.
As most Garands have been rebuilt at least once, finding a Garand with period correct parts is reasonably rare these days.
One of the beauties of the Garand, except for headspacing the barrel and choosing a bolt that met specs with chamber gauges, parts could be used without special fitting when assembling a rifle in the field.
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That's what I was thinking, also.
How far can each side see clearly?
How far can each shoot effectively? Skills vs technology.
Who's holding the high ground?
Take the high ground in advance, hold it, and engage the enemy from outside their effective range. In that case, an outfit armed with Garands has the advantage over an outfit armed with AR15's... up to a point, and where that point is can vary widely.
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98 --You must press the clip down into the chamber to load the weapon and then (very) quickly remove your thumb before the bold goes home on your thumb.
If you miss and the bolt slams home on your pressing thumb it will quite a while before you do it again.
Garandimal
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Garand Thumb - is invariably a result of closing the bolt on an Empty magazine... poorly.
With a loaded clip - Your thumb is on top. Once thumb pressure is released, the bolt has to strip off the top round and chamber it. There is so much friction there, that it is common that some rifles may even need a bump on the op-rod handle to go.
Empty - Your thumb has to depress the follower to the Bottom of the magazine, and once pressure is released, the bolt comes charging forward unobstructed by top-round resistance.
If you do not have the blade of your palm against the op-rod handle, it is a race b/t your thumb and the bolt.
...that one will invariably lose.
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98 --You must press the clip down into the chamber to load the weapon and then (very) quickly remove your thumb before the bold goes home on your thumb.
If you miss and the bolt slams home on your pressing thumb it will quite a while before you do it again.
I know. I learned how to load it correctly up front. You also must lock the bolt all the way back, as opposed to resting on the follower. I also learned to keep contact with the charging handle while shoving the clip into place. The hand rotates up out of the way as the bolt goes forward and to battery.
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The underlined is consistent with my experience. The rest I've thus far avoided.
I've read CMP paperwork that said the M1 rifle has expanded vocabularies in as many languages as there are countries who lend/leased with the U.S.
Garandimal
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The one time it ever got close, was the first day foolin' w/ one right from the CMP... and failed to lock the bolt back - and instead, hung it on the follower.
Respect the bear-trap.
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What is this "Ebola Hoax" you referenced? I'm all-too-familiar with the current COVID-19 global epidemic.
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Exactly. The best you can realistically hope for is a "correct" rifle where in all the parts are from the same manufacturer and are the correct parts for year of manufacture. My 1945 Springfield Armory has a 1956 SA barrel and who knows when it was made SA bolt. By the time I got it, it no longer had a SA stock. Truly "collector grade" Garands are a rarity (I'm thinking something like a gas trap gun), so just buy it and shoot it and enjoy the pride of ownership.
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