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Does anyone here have experience handloading 7.5x54 for a MAS-36? I am trying to replicate the service load, but unfortunately Vihtavuori doesn’t have any load data for this cartridge. I’m using 139gr 308 bullets with Vihtavuori N140 powder. Based on Vihtavuori’s 308 load data for a 140gr bullet I was planning to start at 42gr of N140 and increase from there.

I’m curious to see what others are using and with how much success.

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J
 
Have not loaded for it, don't think I have ever seen one to be honest.

I just looked up the Hornady data, they don't have any data with N140, but they do have data for N135 and N150 for a 130gn bullet, maybe you could extrapolate from that.

N135 max charge 42.2
N150 max charge 43.8

Based on those numbers, I think I might start a little lower than you planned.

Good luck.
 
I just looked up the Hornady data, they don't have any data with N140, but they do have data for N135 and N150 for a 130gn bullet, maybe you could extrapolate from that.

N135 max charge 42.2
N150 max charge 43.8

Good luck.

Ah thanks, I don't have access to the Hornady data. That's lower than I expected, and for a lighter bullet. I'll certainly start at a lower charge then, and check for blown out primers etc.
 
So I'm afraid to report the results as being less than conclusive. I found the muzzle velocities to not correspond to the powder charge logically at all.

I did find that a 42gr charge of VV N140 behind the 139gr bullet was shooting reasonably close to the centre of the target at 100 yards, with a six o'clock hold (since the lowest sight setting is 200yds).

More testing is needed. I'm going to get a better powder scale and use ppu cases rather than this FNM stuff as I'm not convinced they're very good.

Also based on this and load testing for other calibres, the Vihtavuori load data is very conservative.
 
I don’t have anything to offer but by all means boys keep paving the way for when the time comes and I have a MAS to load for which should be soon.
 
I used a similar strategy for working up loads in 7,5 Swiss before data became more widely available. Both cases have more, but similar case capacity and geometry to .308 Win, and operate at pressures more in line with 7.62 NATO. The load I settled on with 150 gr bullets in the 7,5 Swiss was 43 gr VN140 (back when that powder was inexpensive). As data became published, I found that load to be in the mid-range for the cartridge.

In general, I have found Viht data NOT to be conservative, rather the opposite, especially with the old European metric calibers.
 
I work with WW1 calibers mostly (other than current commercial calibers). I find out the 'original' specifications of ammo and use that as my goal for a basic load.
I have found the smokeless powders of earlier times were generally 'faster' than many common powders available in the U. S. That's handy when experimenting.

Cartridges of the World (Caribou Media Group, LLC by Gun Digest Media) show the military ball load is a 140 grain bullet @ 2600 feet per second. CotW also shows a loading of a 150 grain bullet using IMR4831 - 54 grains- for a velocity of 2680 and label that as "duplicates military load'.

Wikipedia publishes military load as 139 grain (9 grams is likely the French specification) @ 2700 fps (820 mps).

I suggest that range of weights and velocities to agree with the factory sights.

I see you live in London, UK and I have no idea what powders may be available to you (other than Vihtavouri [Vv] as you mentioned). Do be careful and begin a bit lower in charge than typically shown. Work up.
 
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