No background check was required till 1986. Before that we had FREEDOM.
Shall not be infringed and all that.....
BTW, I don't have to wait for a check. My CHL works to cover that.
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No background check was required till 1986. Before that we had FREEDOM.
Shall not be infringed and all that.....
BTW, I don't have to wait for a check. My CHL works to cover that.
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So I suppose you are in favor of universal background checks?
I ask because giving your son or daughter a gun for Christmas means a background check before they take possession. Not to do so would be irresponsible.
It means you cannot sell or give a firearm to your best friend. Not to do so would be irresponsible.
Your neighbor? Not to do so would be irresponsible.
Or YOUR SPOUSE? Not to do so would be irresponsible.
I'm sorry daniel craig, but your views on gun control are exactly the same as the actor Daniel Craig, the same as the Brady Campaign, the same as Moms Demand Action, the same as Mike Bloomberg. All of whom believe guns are fine for themselves, but not for the unwashed masses.
The Form 4473/NICS requirement does a fantastic job of keeping prohibited persons from getting a gun via a licensed dealer...........but it and you fail to understand how it has little impact on a prohibited person getting a gun. Quite simply, they send a friend or relative to the store to buy it for them. So much for the Brady Law huh?
No, it's EXACTLY the point. It's already a violation of federal law for a prohibited person to merely attempt to buy a firearm. Just by signing the Form 4473 a criminal commits a violation of Federal law.
Just by holding a firearm in his hands a prohibited person commits a violation of federal law.
By completing and signing the Form 4473 a prohibited person commits a violation of federal law.
In your giddiness to proclaim IRRESPONSIBLE! IRRESPONSIBLE! you still can't wrap your noggin around the fact that a large number of "delayed" transactions NEVER get get "approval" (your words).
Simply by having a common name or a name similar to that of a prohibited person results in a delay. And in my experience over the last twelve years with 12,000+ FBI NICS checks.....almost half ARE NEVER UPDATED to "proceed" within the three business days. That's NEVER EVER. You would be happy that a buyer not be able to receive a firearm from a licensed dealer? Do you have some idea how often "delays" occur?
Abiding by federal law is what a licensed dealer commits to when his FFL is issued. If Congress had intended for the Brady Law to grant "approval".......it would have included that into the law. They didn't.
I take it you've never had a NICS check be delayed? Maybe you would sing a different song if you had.
TL/DR version......shame on you.
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Dogtown Tom, we’ve both stared our opinions. Let’s leave it there if you don’t mind. Thanks.
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Peter Gun
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So you are saying you waited 2 days to make sure you aren’t a prohibited person? You didn’t already know?
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I know were you're coming from, but IMHO the deadline was left in the bill to stop the antigunner from doing what they do best. If they don't like a law or the fact that we can own guns, they come up with their own de facto ways to violate our rights and disregard the law. It's a necessary evil put in place to protect the majority. To keep them from taking months to years before they release the information. To keep them from purposely underfunding the departments that handle background checks...
Also when you factor in that only a small faction of background checks for a prohibited persons are denied each year, a tiny fraction of a percent of firearms are actually released to violent criminals because of the deadline passed, AND the fact that if it is found that a prohibited person illegally obtained a firearm via that method, the person will be charged and arrested....
As an aside, IMHO, if you did your time, paid all your fines, are not on parole, and are deemed okay to live and work amongst the rest of society, you should be able to buy a firearm to defend yourself and your family. You shouldn't be barred from a basic fundamental right from life especially so for the nonviolent offenders... I guess can agree to disagree about that as well...
cslinger
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Been delayed one time MANY moons ago. I believe the system was down. I picked it up after the 3 day expiration. Gun dealer new me well there was no hesitation to transfer to me and he joked about just letting me have it before 3 days elapsed as he new I would come back a go.
With that single exception I don’t think I ever waited more for then 10 min or so. Latest being just as this Kung Flu thing started in March.
With that single exception I don’t think I ever waited more for then 10 min or so. Latest being just as this Kung Flu thing started in March.
Old Dog
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You can thank I-1639 for that, and the fact that Washington became a POC state last year. For handguns, it can take up to 10 days. For semi-auto rifles, 10 business days plus weekends and holiday, in some counties, even longer ...
Are you new in Washington? It's called a "CPL," concealed pistol license here. The CPL used to get you out of the waiting period and you could walk out the store with your new handgun as soon as the dealer got the proceed (usually within five minutes.). Last rifle I bought, waited 14 days.
Light at end of the tunnel here, though, the WSP is supposed to take over background checks whenever they get their system up and running (no doubt way delayed due to COVID lockdown).
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True. but doesn't that state agency then contact NICS?
My BG check in north FL took about 5-6 minutes once I filled out the form.
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FL state agency charges $5. It's just a way of making some money for some gov't workers.
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Somebody contacts NICS one way or another lol
dogtown tom
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Yes, as noted in post #5 and #23.
If you get backlog in a state POC, it's likely it's your state agency slowrolling background checks.
dogtown tom
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I would bet that $5 per BG check doesn't cover the cost of the employees involved.
Just like NFA taxes don't come close to covering the operations of the NFA Branch.
There is never a delay for me here in Missouri - just the small amount of time it takes to reach for it. The idea of a federal form and a FBI check and then a possible delay for an existing firearms owner is government at it finest - absolutely ludicrous! Unless, one’s goal is to commit a crime with a brand new shiny firearm?????
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IDK, with the amount of BG checks performed by a small cadre, it easily pays for them and then some.
Golfanaticshooter
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Yep, good ol I1639. The initiative that was illegally on the ballot. I'm not new to Washington, have lived here all my life. I used CCP as a generic, all encompassing term. By the way, when people say RIP Paul Allen I don't join in. 2A supporters here know why.
My friend (a new gunowner) and I (not a new gunowner) both have had NICS checks in the last two weeks and it took maybe 5 minutes. I have had several in the past few mos. and none took more than 5 minutes or so.
CapnMac
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As a guess, you may be under a misaprehension that an actual Background Investigation occurs. It's nothing of the sort. NICS is a big list of Prohibited Persons (several million of them). All they do is compare a provided name to the names on the list, and eliminate duplicates per address and other identifying info. You could be a horrible meance to society and "pass" NICS--you just can't have been listed as a Prohibited Person.
All delayed means is the SQL inquiry the clerk ran did not come back as "no match."
They were never intended to. The tax was meant to be prohibitive. (And the stamp was almost not created, much as the maijuana stamp was never issued.) In 1934, $200 was easily 4 weeks wages for gov't employees.
NFA wages and operating costs some out of the General Fund.
dogtown tom
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I know, but I'm sure some bean countertold Congress in 1934 that the cost of maintaining the NFA Registry was "X" dollars a year. That $200 figure wasn't just pulled out of a hat.
A surprising number of people believes ATF keeps those fees.
I know this because nearly every week someone on the Internet posts "Why doesn't ATF hire more help with all those Form 4's piling up? Amazon does!"
Like all Federal agencies, Congress approves ATF's budget.
I know, but I'm sure some bean countertold Congress in 1934 that the cost of maintaining the NFA Registry was "X" dollars a year. That $200 figure wasn't just pulled out of a hat.
A surprising number of people believes ATF keeps those fees.
Like all Federal agencies, Congress approves ATF's budget.
That $200 was the cost of a new Thompson.
George Dickel
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I picked up a rifle from my LGS today that I had on consignment. He told me to come back tomorrow because it was taking a long time to get approval. I was BSing with one of the sales guys and the owner told me my check came back OK. He had 4 or 5 other checks that he had been waiting on for almost 24 hours. Mine came back in less than 5 minutes. Knock on wood, but I've never had a check take more than 10 minutes. I've probably doomed myself now to eternal waiting.
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I expect that cost was considered prohibitive back in 1934. People should thank their lucky stars they haven't adjusted it for inflation.
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no we should put more pressure on our legislators to get rid of it.
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