Mine was an individual, and the general consensus is yes trusts take longer but who the heck knows with the ATF. They make no sense, this stuff shouldn't even take 30 days to approve. Well honestly we should not need to do anything for a suppressor it should be OTC.
So what's the current wait time?
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Just impulse buy everything you may ever want then by the time the tax stamps all go through you should have the list narrowed down some.
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Trusts often take longer because of multiple Responsible Persons.
Trusts with one RP take exactly as long as Individual.
It doesn't.
Once the information on the F4 is in the system its a pretty quick process for the examiner.
The sheer volume of paper Form 1's or 4's vs a fixed number of data entry clerks means the paper forms see months of delays just to get entered into the system.
Those filing eForm 1's are doing the data entry clerks job and get rewarded with approvals measured in weeks, not months.
Blame your grandparents or great grandparents. They are the ones that elected the Congress and President that passed the NFA.
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I did two eForm 1’s, I’m in Texas. Filed one on feb 28th, came back 22 days later. Filed the second the day after I received the first one. And it came back exactly 22 days later in April. I filed my third a few days before that one. And just got it back today. Again, right on schedule at exactly 22 days.
so as far as I can tell Covid-19 has had zero effect on processing at least eForm 1’s
so as far as I can tell Covid-19 has had zero effect on processing at least eForm 1’s
single RP trusts take longer then individual form 1s all the time. There is no method to the madness. There is tons of speculation on why they take so long but IMO its not due to getting it in the system. They sure cash the checks very quickly. There is more to this then just getting it entered into the system.
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Where are you getting your stats? NFA tracker?
I laugh because thats user submitted data and not at all accurate.And Form 1's, half don't understand the difference between eform and paper form.
I did over a hundred NFA transfers in 2019, Single Shot Trust F4's were processed every bit as fast as Individual and most of the time faster. Traditional gun trusts with multiple members took much longer.
Payment (the checks) are stripped out before ATF ever sees the Form 1 or 4.
More to it? Sounds like you believe in those NFA Branch conspiracy theories.
Where are you getting your stats? NFA tracker?
And Form 1's, half don't understand the difference between eform and paper form.
I did over a hundred NFA transfers in 2019, Single Shot Trust F4's were processed every bit as fast as Individual and most of the time faster. Traditional gun trusts with multiple members took much longer.
Payment (the checks) are stripped out before ATF ever sees the Form 1 or 4.
More to it? Sounds like you believe in those NFA Branch conspiracy theories.
I don't believe in any conspiracies, I don't use NFA tracker but my stats are definitely anecdotal and from other peoples times and I'll take your word for it as you seem to be in the business. But I know can call a week after they cash my check and its in the system pending so at that point I take as in the system. I just think they are slow do to bureaucracy and the FBI. It has to be the prints that take the longest, my understanding is they run them against the unsolved crimes database. Every person I have talked to at the ATF has been super nice and helpful so I don't think they are trying to screw us. But even with paper there is no reason i takes that long.
But on to the real dilemma do I get a nomad L for my future precision/hunting rifle or form 1 my .300 blackout pistol........I'm leaning towards the form 1 since I can use my sandman on the rifle.
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Any idea if the less than 2 month wait time applies to a form 1 DD firearms?
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Fingerprints aren't sent to the FBI, ATF keeps them on file and it's just a NICS check. The problem is ATF and the FBI disagree on whether the FBI is supposed to do NFA background checks. There's a string of correspondence between the FBI and ATF about this. It would be funny if it wasn't sad.
Just to add another experience: Individual silencer purchase. Paper application dated 9-8-2019, approval date 4-13-2020, docs received by LGS 5-12-2020.
Hopefully i get my stamp soon then. Mine was approved 4/20.
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My paperwork came in last week and I picked the can up this past weekend. Sent out the F4 in January and it was approved on May 29th. So much better than the 9 month wait on my last can. I still miss the good old days. I have tax stamps from the 1990s and early 2000s that only took 30 days to clear. I know, I know: sales volume, especially for suppressors, have skyrocketed in the last several years, but I still pine for the 6 week wait.
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the reddit nfa tracker is showing approx 6 months for form 4's. better than a year, not as good as it could be if anybody in the fed made it a priority.
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I'm at one year on an individual Form 4. Not my first, either.
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I honestly fail to understand how something as binary as a background check can take so long. You either are or aren’t a prohibited person. I don’t see why you can’t do something as simple as scan a driver’s license or thumb print and have it clear in a week max. Or maybe have like an initial check that takes all your data (pic, thumbprint, stool sample, whatever) and then the next time you apply it goes super quick because they just compare it to existing data.
And don’t even get me started on eforms... I swear it’s running on a 386 processor PS/2 and a 14.4 modem, running Windows 3.0. I subconsciously hear old hard drive platters access clicking when I click something on the website.
And don’t even get me started on eforms... I swear it’s running on a 386 processor PS/2 and a 14.4 modem, running Windows 3.0. I subconsciously hear old hard drive platters access clicking when I click something on the website.
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Again, the background check does not take longer than any other FBI NICS check. The delays are nearly always due to a rising volume of NFA forms and a static number of data entry clerks and NFA examiners. If Silencerco has a "buy one, get four free" sale you'll see hundreds of thousands of Form 4's and ATF (like any government agency) will have to get Congressional approval for additional staff or contract labor.....and that ain't happening overnight. In fact it would be months if not a year or more.
Second, unlike a FBI NICS check on a Title I firearm, Title II or NFA firearms are not approved for transfer until the FBI NICS gives a "Proceed" result. The FBI puts all those NFA delays aside and basically gets around to clearing them when they feel like it. That's why some NICS checks on NFA take over a year. Apply as a trust with multiple Responsible Persons? All it takes to gum up your F1/F4 is just one of those RP's not getting an immediate "Proceed". If your Form has taken over ten months since "check cashed" date and NFA Branch says "pending results of FBI background check".........there's your answer.
Third, ATF and the FBI disagree on who is responsible for conducting NFA background checks. There is a sad, yet funny email exchange between the two agencies out there. Basically ATF says "uh, FBI is supposed to do the background check because you operate NICS", the FBI retorts "Nuh, uh, we do NFA background checks as a favor but Congress doesn't give us enough funds and no federal law requires the FBI to do NICS on Title II".
Because Federal law. Write your Congressman.
Nonsense. It's a 486, 28.8 modem and Windows 95.
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I sent off an eForm1 for a .22 rim fire solovent trap silencer on 6/5 and got it back yesterday, which was a sunday.
30 days, right?
The NFA must be running hard 7 days a week.
I checked every day m-f, never expected to get one on a Saturday or sunday.
I wish I would have eForm 1'ed my m203.
Snail mailing paper is, sooo 1934...
30 days, right?
The NFA must be running hard 7 days a week.
I checked every day m-f, never expected to get one on a Saturday or sunday.
I wish I would have eForm 1'ed my m203.
Snail mailing paper is, sooo 1934...
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I submitted my suppressor paperwork to my LGS on June 2. They sent it in the next day. So far my check has not been deposited yet. That is always the first hurdle to clear. My last paperwork (suppressor as well) took 10 months to go thru the complete the process. I will consider anything less than 12 months a victory on the latest submittal.
Did they send your paperwork with tracking?
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I have not asked that question. I will ask them Friday when I usually pop in the store. Also, the check still has not been deposited yet.
I had a check that didn't get deposited for over a month. I ended up sending in another set of paperwork and check - the first set showed pending THAT DAY. i ended up getting the stamp in 10 months even with all that BS.
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Ok, the ATF/NFA folks have deposited my check finally as of last night. I put the app in at the gunstore on June 2 and they mailed it out the next day. So it took about 50 days for them to process the payment. Now we will see how long it takes to process the stamp. (22 Suppressor).
dogtown tom
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That is an extraordinarily long time for payment processing. In my experience, the bank ATF uses processes checks and credit card payments within days of receipt.
I've submitted 20+ Form 4's since June 1st and the average time from date mailed to check cashed was two weeks.
I'm guessing the fault lies with USPS. I had a customer mail me a bank check from sixty miles away. It took 13 days to arrive.
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