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Ernie Bass
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Up to you to let them take them away or not. Yes, they might take away the 2nd Amendment rights. But there are millions of us that say you will never take our firearms.
Just 3 months is all it took-how long before 22.cal is gone?
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Up to you to let them take them away or not. Yes, they might take away the 2nd Amendment rights. But there are millions of us that say you will never take our firearms.
I don't need to go any further than my basement to find 9mm ammo and I have more 22 ammo than some stores, but I'm a reloader and have been through these so called shortages before. There is no shortage of ammo at my house. Higher end 22 ammo is available now in large quantities if you shop around so maybe it's just a matter of perspective, or priorities.
"Almost sold out every where" is a very subjective statement. "Almost sold out of the ammo I'm willing to pay for" may be closer to the truth in a lot of cases. During the last shortage my 22 ammo of choice was Eley Club. It was $10 a box but available almost everywhere I shopped. It didn't slow down my shooting, just made it more expensive ( and a tad more reliable and bit more accurate).
8.3 million guns have been sold in the US since March. In June the FBI processed 3.9 million background checks. 25 states don't even require background checks to purchase firearms. It's a busy time for gun and ammo manufacturers, nobody has shut them down.
All that said, some of you guys should turn off your televisions for a couple of weeks, stop reading the newspapers and maybe turn off the radio too.
DustyGmt
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I like your thinking. I wish I had been forward thinking like you, I should have a hefty stash of .22lr and a .22 handgun to mirror my carry gun. It wouldnt have been too difficult or costly and would have kept me happy and shooting instead of being so conservative and stingy with my plinking ammo, I'm kicking myself for not doing this. The one thing I did do is spent the better part of 2018-2019 buying ammo to stow away (very lil .22lr). I now only shoot what I can buy instead of depleting what I already have...
KevininPa
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Look through PyramidAir and Arizona Airguns. Lot of stuff out of stock. I've been stepping up my airgun game to stay in practice. Ordered a few more and might not see some stuff for a little while. Backordered.
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Nothing like a good Springer for training!
A couple of things.
1. If every THR member decided stocking up bigtime right now was a good idea and bought 10K rounds of .22LR tomorrow, we could purchase over half of the ANNUAL WORLDWIDE production of .22LR in a single day. We could, essentially, all by ourselves, push demand up over 185 times larger than it normally is for one day. That would put the manufacturers 6 months behind in a single day. Then, all it takes is normal demand to keep the shortage alive for a long time. Even if the manufacturers double production, once they're in a 6 month hole, it will take them at least 3 months to dig out of it with normal demand and double normal production. But what about if demand stays high--say double the normal level. Then even with the manufacturers making double what they normally do, they can't ever dig out of the hole. It will take demand coming back down and them maintaining higher than normal levels for quite some time after that happens.
2. There are reasons people panic and start buying a lot more ammo than normal. Just because those reasons result in more ammo purchases doesn't mean that all of them are on topic for THR.
1. If every THR member decided stocking up bigtime right now was a good idea and bought 10K rounds of .22LR tomorrow, we could purchase over half of the ANNUAL WORLDWIDE production of .22LR in a single day. We could, essentially, all by ourselves, push demand up over 185 times larger than it normally is for one day. That would put the manufacturers 6 months behind in a single day. Then, all it takes is normal demand to keep the shortage alive for a long time. Even if the manufacturers double production, once they're in a 6 month hole, it will take them at least 3 months to dig out of it with normal demand and double normal production. But what about if demand stays high--say double the normal level. Then even with the manufacturers making double what they normally do, they can't ever dig out of the hole. It will take demand coming back down and them maintaining higher than normal levels for quite some time after that happens.
2. There are reasons people panic and start buying a lot more ammo than normal. Just because those reasons result in more ammo purchases doesn't mean that all of them are on topic for THR.
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Actually went to the range yesterday with the new LCP 22. Pulling up I saw a few cars and could here some gun shots going on at the indoor range. Walked in and the place was bare. The Revolver case which is right as you walk in had nothing in it. The Glock case which is usually full had nothing. They did have a few CZ's, the cheapest being $650.00 and the rest in the $800 range. Again all new staff except the manager. I had to laugh, they actually had a Beretta Bobcat, the first time I had ever seen one in their store. Cost was $489.
Two of the bay's were empty and only one bay being used by a few shooters. Before I left it was down to just two of us shooting. As soon as I came home. I went to Pyramyd Air and ordered more Airgun pellets.
Two of the bay's were empty and only one bay being used by a few shooters. Before I left it was down to just two of us shooting. As soon as I came home. I went to Pyramyd Air and ordered more Airgun pellets.
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If most people actually shot a High End Springer it might change their world. I have many like the Walther LGV below.
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Prince Yamato
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It’s not as bad as 2013. Ammo can be found, it’s just coming in slower. Guns are slowly trickling back in. The problem, is not the panic buyers, it’s the profiteers.
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First of all, it is not Panic. I buy in bulk and I am not in panic. Does not mean I was raised in a Barn and cannot see what is going on in the world. I see some folks that want to blame everything on the gun owners. We are NOT the cause of the shortage. The Profiteers? It is nothing but supply and demand. The vendor, gun shops would love to sell at a good price. They DO NOT have it to sell. And ammo and Guns might be trickling in where you are, but I certainly do not see it anywhere.
And by the way, 10,000 rds of 22.cal is not a lot of ammo for a person that shoots on a regular basis. Especially if he has more than himself in the family that shoot's it. Especially when there is not any other ammo to go to the range with.
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Trunk Monkey
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It really doesn't matter if the shortage was induced by panic buying or not it's still a real shortage.
I've said this before but I remember being in the middle of the Obama Ammo Panic and people were damning all the hoarders (you were probably one of them).
Then things eased up and several people started guessing that it would be in our best interest to start stocking up (I definitely was one of them) and the same people were still damning all the hoarders and still refusing to stock up.
I'm sorry but if you (generally speaking not YOU specifically) refused to listen to all those warnings and got caught short again I have a hard time finding any sympathy in my heart for you.
(Again, specifically not talking about you George just that mindset in general)
FROGO207
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My crystal ball and tea leaves tell me IF this goes away in Nov there is an extremly good chance it WILL happen again. Probably in about 4 years if things are politically turbulent. The prudent stock up to insulate themselves from price increases or supply disruptions as much as possible depending on disposable income levels. The days of going to WM on the way to the range to stock up on low cost ammo have gone the way of buying a Thompson direct from the factory. Reloading lowers cost as does an air gun or two. If we keep on the present path this country will look like what my version of hell would look like. I hope the "woke" wake up and see reality but I have my doubts.
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This deserves repeating.
Whoa. I just felt a rush of power. Did anyone else want to cackle maniacally with me?
Muhahahahahahaaa!
But, yeah, let’s not do that. How about a buyers club instead?
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Human nature is to forget it seems. This shortage will end, just like they all do. Most will go back to sleep when ammo is stacked in the isle again. Something will set off another panic, sooner or later. Same people who learned nothing from the previous panic shortages will again be mad. Amazing to watch. When this one is over, set enough aside to last the next one. Ammo will never go bad if stored well. So few seem to ever learn though <shrug>
NIGHTLORD40K
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Well...... nitrocellulose powder will last as long as [(amount of stabilizer/ambient temp)- humidity intrusion] by pidgeon math. It most certainly is not forever, and the burn rate and max pressure become unpredictable usually long before the case integrity falls low enough to cause a rupture.
Yes, it can be a very long time. I get worried when demand is this high, though, that manufacturers are skimping on the stabilizers to lower costs and increase production. Ammo actually produced DURING a panic might best be considered "wartime emergency" stocks. Something to consider when the panic subsides and youre deciding what to use up first. Just a thought.
I think people who have lived through a panic and wise people who just want to be prepared, have a nice stock pile. Some of the problem is these wise people not wanting to touch their stock pile. Anyone else here have a rush of bad adrenaline mixed with regret when you break into a new case of center fire ammo? As I'm opening it I'm thinking about ordering more or loading more, or ordering primers and bullets. I don't look at this as being our own worst enemy, just staying prepared.
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<sigh> yes someone will want to argue if you say the sun will rise tomorrow. So how about ammo stored well will outlive the people who buy it. No matter your age ammo you buy when it comes back will still be working fine by the time you die of old age. Assuming you bought it to never use it.
Now no doubt someone is typing up some argument to this too just because they have to.
For the rest, when this panic is over if you were caught again, remember this. Set aside enough to last you a year or so. Next shortage you can keep shooting and if so inclined find all kinds of stuff on the net to argue about when you have lots of free time.
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Just went to wikiarms and yup, the $.18-$.20 stuff is 'backorder', but the $.38 per round stuff is plentiful..called supply and demand.
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