Any reason to choose a 3 screw BH over a NM

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Found a cool little 3 screw Blackhawk in 4 5/8th. 1970 I believe. Real nice condition. Very minor holster wear. Shiny bore no pitting etc. $450.

Also found a New Model BH in 4.62" for $25 more. I could probably talk him down to $450. Owner claims it has only one box through it. Looks brand new.

Which would you pick? Or do the two not really differ very much. If I remember right the loading gate lock deal is a NM thing?

Anyway, what would you pick? Thanks.
 
I like the three screws for the 4 clicks and the nice triggers (assuming it’s not converted). It’s all in what you want. The NM has the advantage of carrying all 6 chambers full.
 
I like the three screws for the 4 clicks and the nice triggers (assuming it’s not converted). It’s all in what you want. The NM has the advantage of carrying all 6 chambers full.
Haven't had the chance to look at the 3 screw so I'm not sure if it was converted. Comes with original box and everything. I was only told the shape it's in by a friend. So the old models don't have a transfer bar? No big deal for me. But the action has a colt style 4 click? Interesting.
 
Haven't had the chance to look at the 3 screw so I'm not sure if it was converted. Comes with original box and everything. I was only told the shape it's in by a friend. So the old models don't have a transfer bar?
Correct. Carry over an empty chamber if it wasn’t converted during their recall. If it was converted, get the NM for sure since the conversion triggers leave a lot to be desired. The NM triggers are second best, converted 3 screws being the worst.
 
Correct. Carry over an empty chamber if it wasn’t converted during their recall. If it was converted, get the NM for sure since the conversion triggers leave a lot to be desired. The NM triggers are second best, converted 3 screws being the worst.
Ok thanks! What was the recall issue?
 
They decided to ask everyone who had an original 3-screw to send it in and get it lawyered up. I told them to pound sand and will never send any 3 screw in. I NEED the 4 clicks. Big part of the experience for me.
I've never owned a Colt SAA but I've shot one. Those 4 clicks do feel and sound pretty sweet.

How were they "lawyered up". I assume extra safeties. What would be ones motivation to send in an original 3 screw for modification?
 
I like the 3 screw better if it's all original action. If it's not all original then I'd rather have the new model.
 
The recall was issued after some idiot shot themself when they dropped a BH while a round was under the hammer and sued Ruger. Guess who won the suit?
Anyway, they lost several lawsuits IIRC and offered to convert the existing 3 screws to a transfer bar I believe.
I found a flat gate Single Six from 1956 that isn't converted and there ain't no way it's going back to Ruger for any reason ever.
If you send in an unconverted gun for any reason they WILL convert it.
 
I love Old Models and other traditional action single actions. I just need a Bisley when things get heavy and that's easier with a New Model. So I guess the answer is "both" tempered with an "it depends". ;)
 
Howdy

At the top of this photo is a Three Screw 44 Magnum Flat top Blackhawk. At the bottom is a New Model 45 Colt Blackhawk. Notice the New Model has two pins for the hammer, bolt and trigger to pivot on, rather than the three screws of the older model.

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The mechanism of a Three Screw Ruger was very similar to the mechanism of a Colt Single Action Army. The leaf springs were replaced by coil springs and plungers, but other than that they functioned the same as a Colt. Four clicks when the hammer was cocked. Putting the hammer at half cock allowed the cylinder to rotate for loading, just like a Colt.

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Here are the parts of the lockwork.

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In the early 1970s Ruger completely redesigned all their revolvers. This was because they lost several, not just one, expensive lawsuits when their revolvers accidentally fired when dropped on their hammers. Just like the Colt Single Action Army, if dropped on the hammer, there is a good chance the revolver will fire if a live cartridge is under the hammer. Here is a photo of the lockwork of a Colt SAA. The two arrows are pointing to the tip of the trigger, known as the sear, and the so called 'safety cock notch' on the hammer. Notice how thin the sear is. When the hammer is pulled back slightly so that the sear pops into the 'safety cock' notch, the firing pin is withdrawn from the primer of a live round under the hammer. This was designed to make the revolver safe to carry fully loaded with six rounds. However long experience has shown that if a Colt is accidentally dropped on its hammer there is a good chance the sear will break off and the force of the blow will drive the firing pin into the primer of a live round under the hammer with enough force to fire the cartridge. So anyone who is familiar with a Colt knows to only load it with five rounds and leave an empty chamber under the hammer.

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The old Ruger Three Screws suffered from the same problem. Go back to the photo of the Three Screw lock parts and notice how thin the sear is. They were perfectly safe if you remembered to only carry one with an empty chamber under the hammer. If you fully loaded it with six rounds, you had to be careful not to drop it. Eventually enough of them were dropped that Ruger completely redesigned the mechanism and included a transfer bar to transfer the hammer blow to the frame mounted firing pin. Opening the loading gate frees the cylinder to spin for loading, rather than putting the hammer at half cock the way it was done with the Three Screws or a Colt. When the hammer was at rest, the transfer bar with drew and the hammer could no longer contact the firing pin, so the New Models were completely safe to carry fully loaded with six rounds.

This is a photo of the transfer bar in the 45 Colt New Model Blackhawk pictured above. The hammer has been cocked, and the transfer bar has risen up so that when the hammer falls it will strike the transfer bar, which will transfer the hammer blow to the firing pin, firing the cartridge.

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This is a photo of the lockwork of the New Model Blackhawk. The long, thin piece attached to the trigger is the transfer bar. When the hammer is cocked, the trigger rocks back slightly raising the transfer bar up so it will be positioned between the firing pin and the hammer.

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Long ago Ruger offered that it would convert any of the old Three Screw Blackhawks for free by replacing the mechanism with new parts that included a transfer bar. Generally speaking, the action of a converted Three Screw is not as nice as the original Three Screws were.

If the Three Screw has been converted to having a transfer bar, I wouldn't touch it myself. I have several unconverted Three Screws and I always load them with five rounds and leave an empty chamber under the hammer, no different than I do with a Colt.

If you feel comfortable only loading five, and leaving an empty chamber under the hammer, go for it.

If not, go for the New Model.
 

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Thanks Driftwood, good information. I'm liking the 3 screw now. I'll have to see if it has a transfer bar though. If not, I'm going to go with that one.
 
You can take solace in knowing that the New Models are still darn fine actions at least.
I only own one NM Blackhawk. Nice gun. That four click 3 screw was very intriguing. I'll have to keep looking for another maybe.
 
Between those 2 guns you listed I would take the OM in a heartbeat. Very nice guns and a great price. You can pick up a NM at any time any where.
 
Great information from Driftwood, thank you.

I almost made the error of taking Ruger's offer to convert my 3-screw Single Six.

My SS is as accurate as any production 22 RF pistol most probably because of the fine trigger. I did not know that the conversion would have changed that but I asked folks here in HR about before I made my decision & I was advised to not to make the conversion. I took their advice & now I'm even happier to not have done it.

I wish all my Ruger SA's were 3-screw versions.
 
Mn Fats

Sorry to hear you missed out on the 3 screw Blackhawk. Given my druthers I would go with the older 3 screw versus the new model, though I am more than happy with the two that I have!
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