No Recoil, no noise deer rifle

Look into the compressor also as you're going along, or local places that will fill your cylinders for you. I only had a scuba place and they did not go to the pressure I was wanting as their equipment is set up for a different use. So, I was starting at a lower than ideal pressure from the start. The home compressors have gotten a lot better in recent years which makes me reconsider it some but I have enough stuff.

Many years ago my Father, Brother, and I all bought "Big Bore .44's" from one of the Korean companies. I think they still make them, they are .45 actually. Loud, heavy, and bulky. About on par with a 45acp IIRC. I think my Brother has 2 of them now. Someone really wanted mine as they weren't common back when so it went down the road.

They can be great fun, just weren't my thing.

Same for crossbows, I use one as I have to here, but would much prefer a rifle and a big bore handgun. More range and a more humane kill in my mind with less lost game. Yes, I know people will argue that and question my tracking skills, but its my opinion, nothing more.

My bulldog is set up for 3 shots around 930 fps, with a 145gr bullet. It's got a mega moderator on it, and thats fairly quiet.

I took was a 150lb sow, that i shot looking at me at about 15yds, and finished a wounded sheep at my buddies place at 50ish.


Ive killed enough stuff with a .22lr that Ive got no issue using this thing for almost anything im likely to shoot here, but airbows, crossbows, and vertical bows give you a better option when dealing with heavier animals. Where the bully gets used most is in areas i dont want to draw any extra attention, CNS shot and the animal is down for good. Thats much harder to do with an edged weapon, and impossible with any firearm because of the extra noise.

I still say there is a place in the world for a compression ignition, fueled, hybrid rifle. Needs no reloading supplies, no primers, cases or store bought ammo. Cast your own bullets, uses propane for propellent (which will be difficult to outlaw) and a spring powered piston to provide the compression for INTENTIONAL diesel ignition. And there are electronic possibilities to control and time the ignition beyond purely mechanical methods though I would prefer mechanical processes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion_light-gas_gun

Neat concept.

Interesting thread.... realize that my knowledge of air guns is limited to the one I was given when I was 15 in 1963... I still have it to this day, a Benjamin .22 pump single shot... As a kid I did quite a bit of small game hunting with it (squirrels, rabbits...).

At present I have seven grandkids so one of them is going to get a surprise one of these days...

Can anyone point me to where I can learn a bit more about the current state of air guns?

And just to add to my off comment. A compression ignition hybrid air/fuel rifle, the piston would not need to slam into the forward tube like those bulky springers/Nitro piston rifles do. It just needs to achieve sufficient compression to ignite the fuel. The fuel would be introduced (mechanical or electronic) at a specific amount to be stoichiometric with the chamber (air) volume. The piston would have a double acting brake which would expand a ring integral on the piston skirt to stop the piston (momentum actuated) and to prevent rearward movement at ignition (pressure actuated). The brake would retract automatically otherwise thusly not interfering with cocking.

3Crows said:

And just to add to my off comment. A compression ignition hybrid air/fuel rifle, the piston would not need to slam into the forward tube like those bulky springers/Nitro piston rifles do. It just needs to achieve sufficient compression to ignite the fuel. The fuel would be introduced (mechanical or electronic) at a specific amount to be stoichiometric with the chamber (air) volume. The piston would have a double acting brake which would expand a ring integral on the piston skirt to stop the piston (momentum actuated) and to prevent rearward movement at ignition (pressure actuated). The brake would retract automatically otherwise thusly not interfering with cocking.

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Or maybe let it bleed some energy to retract/recock your piston.

I plan on using my benjamin bulldog .357 for deer hunting this fall. with the donny dl supressor added it's pretty quiet. Instead of the expensive air gun bullets I use soft lead "cowboy action" bullets which I size to .357 with a Lee resizer.

V-fib said:

with the donny dl supressor added it's pretty quiet

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I wrote the wrong name of the supressor. Its a DonnyFL supressor from www.donnyfl.com.

v-fib

V-fib said:

I wrote the wrong name of the supressor. Its a DonnyFL supressor from www.donnyfl.com.

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I considered one of those for my bully when I ordered the mega, and i think they are actually more effective, but decided I didn't want to argue with anyone about legality.

3Crows said:

I still say there is a place in the world for a compression ignition, fueled, hybrid rifle. Needs no reloading supplies, no primers, cases or store bought ammo. Cast your own bullets, uses propane for propellent (which will be difficult to outlaw) and a spring powered piston to provide the compression for INTENTIONAL diesel ignition. And there are electronic possibilities to control and time the ignition...

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Sounds like you are describing my Paslode framing nailer as far as the gas generation part goes.

LoonWulf said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion_light-gas_gun

Neat concept.

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I have sent golf balls many hundreds of yards with Oxy/act, when I was a kid, VERY lucky we didn’t get hurt. Oxy/fuel as a propellant makes mixing various gun powders together to get a “just right” burn rate sound like a sane idea.

jmorris said:

I have sent golf balls many hundreds of yards with Oxy/act, when I was a kid, VERY lucky we didn’t get hurt. Oxy/fuel as a propellant makes mixing various gun powders together to get a “just right” burn rate sound like a sane idea.

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I built a golfball gun that we ran on ethanol, I can only imagine what mixed gas woulda done.

LoonWulf said:

I built a golfball gun that we ran on ethanol, I can only imagine what mixed gas woulda done.

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Likely the most dangerous thing I have done. Would never suggest anyone “play” with it.

jmorris said:

Likely the most dangerous thing I have done. Would never suggest anyone “play” with it.

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Yeah I was never that brave.

LoonWulf said:

Yeah I was never that brave.

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That’s not the word I would use but thanks for being kind.

jmorris said:

Sounds like you are describing my Paslode framing nailer as far as the gas generation part goes.

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The purpose is not to attempt to get around laws. People, notice there is no ammo and reloading supplies on the shelves, again! Most serious gun folks are stocked up, as am I, but owning a lifetime supply (decades or more) of reloading materials is not really practical or years and years and years of ammo for that matter in every caliber. Yes, that Paslode framing gun has a similar operation to what I am proposing. I am not talking about dangerous golf ball guns either but an engineered and refined, produced product using a gas propellent. It would be possible to have an adjustable power level, even multi-caliber barrels.