Neither does WLP. If he had the best interest of the NRA membership at heart he would have resigned a long time ago.
Breaking News: New York AG seeks to dissolve NRA in new lawsuit
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Neither does WLP. If he had the best interest of the NRA membership at heart he would have resigned a long time ago.
Poper
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Or maybe Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition that reeks of racketeering?
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The NRA is one of the few lobbyist organizations who's primary beneficiaries are comprised not of power-hungry corporate interests, but regular people. The idea the anti's keep promoting suggesting they're an autonomous collective responsible for the ills of the world to prop up 'the gun industry' has become more than tiresome. They are OUR VOICE in government. There's certainly a lot to be desired, and I won't speak to anything regarding fraud or corruption because I'm not in a position to know. But as long as I, as a 2A supporter, find value in their efforts, an attack on the NRA is the equivalent of an attack on my say in government. Substitute NRA for GOA or any other org and it's exactly the same. This is an obvious attack not on the NRA, but on the people who have relied on them for representation.
No need to explain if you have not figured it out by now... Sad to see so many fail to see what this is really all about...
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I do not disagree. If LaPierre has broken laws (embezzlement, etc.) the arrest him and prosecute him.
Use of an appointed political position within law enforcement to persecute one's political opposition is not justifiable in any manner by statute to the best of my knowledge. That is a typical tactic of the rulers of a banana republic, not in a country governed by the Rule of Law.
whughett
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Odd how many here want to cure the cancer by killing the patient.
That NY AG knows a thing or two about politics. Divide and Conquer.
That NY AG knows a thing or two about politics. Divide and Conquer.
mcb
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It more like breaking a union (NRA) before is destroys a company (US gun owners).
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No matter who wins the civil lawsuit the evidence presented and rebutted will become public once the court accepts the case for trial. That could be months from now. The NRA has to respond to the complaint. The there will be numerous motions filed by the NRA in an attempt to get the case dismissed. Maybe it can succeed at that, but am doubt it, Then discovery will begin and all the evidence will be presented and depositions of involved persons will begin. Than a trial, which could be over a year away.
if NY State prevails it spells near doom for the NRA because it is a N.Y. State Nonprofit Corporation. If then incorporation I’d revoked the NRA will likely lose it non profit status issued the IRS. It will lose its insurance coverages because once the incorporation is revoked it is no longer the same NRA that they insured. Bottom line is that this is a ton of trouble for the NRA, especially because a N.Y. civil court is likely to defer to the state unless the states evidence is proven wrong. And based upon the last years of reports about the NRA I think it is unlikely to be proven wrong.
if NY State prevails it spells near doom for the NRA because it is a N.Y. State Nonprofit Corporation. If then incorporation I’d revoked the NRA will likely lose it non profit status issued the IRS. It will lose its insurance coverages because once the incorporation is revoked it is no longer the same NRA that they insured. Bottom line is that this is a ton of trouble for the NRA, especially because a N.Y. civil court is likely to defer to the state unless the states evidence is proven wrong. And based upon the last years of reports about the NRA I think it is unlikely to be proven wrong.
mcb
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I believe charges are inbound.
Poper
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There was an effort to clean house at the NRA recently from within that failed. We can either police ourselves or have someone else do it for us. From where I stand the NRA hasn't done anything for us in a very long time. They should have been more proactive than reactive. Let it go, something better will replace it.
Poper
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Not hardly.
There is no other organization that has the wide range of services, training and political influence that NRA does. Wishful thinking will not suffice.
If anyone can think up a better, more effective organization, I am all ears and willing to join. Please, show me the 'beef'.
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The NRA Foundation, a tax exempt organization, is chartered in Washington, DC. The DC AG charges the leadership of the NRA with having robbed the NRA Foundation of tax exempt funds and used those funds for NRA salaries and/or political stuff.
This is the DC AG charge sheet:
https://oag.dc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-08/NRA-Foundation-Complaint-Redacted.pdf
This is the DC AG charge sheet:
https://oag.dc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-08/NRA-Foundation-Complaint-Redacted.pdf
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I mostly agree. However, if this legal action somehow brings to light, with conclusive evidence, shown to the public, all of the crap NRA leadership has been doing, especially if it's enough to trigger a possible criminal investigation into certain personalities, this could, at the end of the day, be a good thing for NRA.
The current power structure exists to protect LaPierre. If NRA members are unable to remove him, but the government can, then NRA might be able to reform, in another state, and likely without its current tax status, and rise from the ashes so to speak.
If it lost its tax status, NRA would likely have to, and I would argue should, abandon all of its tax exempt activities, such as NRA Matches, Eddie Eagle, Hunter Ed, etc etc, and focus entirely on politics and lobbying. NRA-ILA might be the only thing that survives. But let's be honest with ourselves, the PAC was the lion's share of what NRA was doing. Participation in NRA-sanctioned matches has been dwindling for years, if not decades. No school district I ever heard of is using Eddie Eagle in their schools. So those tax-exempt activities are rapidly becoming inconsequential. There are other governing bodies, such as CMP, International Hunter Ed Assoc., etc. that can take over those activities.
Side bonus: if this allows more effective organizations, such as GOA and SAF to rise to the forefront of the battle, that will be a good thing. NRA needs to do some soul searching.
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It is a civil suit not a criminal charge.
IANAL!!! Nor do I pretend to be one on TV oor radio or from behind a computer keyboard, so: If it is a civil suit filed by a attorney general, can the state demonstrate having been harmed and does the state have standing if complaints have not been filed by NRA members?
mcb
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At this point in time it would not be hard to find a fair number of NRA members that would join in to give them standing.
Poper
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Whether it's a corporation or government, there's more than meets the eye and the powerful tend to grow more so. People will believe what they want. Speculation is pointless. Frothy rants don't get us where we need to go.
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Good. Hopefully it folds and gets replaced by a real gun rights organization. 2 years of total GOP control and not even a vote on the Safe Hearing Act or CCW reciprocity and the NRA didn't hold them to it. And they didn't utter a peep about the bump stock ban via signature.
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I look at it like this. I join the NRA because it's the best, well known, longest lived, pro gun lobby there is.
I pay my dues, they do the job.
They dont win all the battles, but they fight and win the most needed one. As it made mistakes? Sure. Nothing is perfect.
As long as it does that job, I'm happy with the money I spent. And it DOES the job, so if they did whatever with the money...so be it.
Now...if they sucked at the job with the money I'm paying them to do...different story. But that's not the case.
I pay my dues, they do the job.
They dont win all the battles, but they fight and win the most needed one. As it made mistakes? Sure. Nothing is perfect.
As long as it does that job, I'm happy with the money I spent. And it DOES the job, so if they did whatever with the money...so be it.
Now...if they sucked at the job with the money I'm paying them to do...different story. But that's not the case.
Odd... I thought you were interested in an intelligent discussion.
I gave up on the nra a few years ago when I decided that the only reason they seem to want to exist is to fight the battle and not win it, because winning it means no more need for funding the fight and too many people were getting their pockets lined to let that happen.
I won't miss them when they are gone if they do go away.
With 100+ million plus gun owners in the nation someone else will step up to the plate.
I won't miss them when they are gone if they do go away.
With 100+ million plus gun owners in the nation someone else will step up to the plate.
tws3b2
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You gotta know the nyga does not give a crap about corruption in the NRA management. The NRA has been a thorn in the anti 2nd amendment, anti gun, anti freedom crowd all these years. They would love to see it torn down. When the NRA falls it will signal a new push to end the 2nd amendment and your right to be free in this country. Best to understand That When the 2nd amendment falls so does your Freedom. If they can destroy the 2nd amendment or "Any Part " of the Constitution the rest is worthless paper. When that happens all you will have left is the "Bones" tossed to you. Maybe.
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