State travel tourism Boycott?

AlexanderA · Aug 9, 2020

Steve51 said:
The anti 2nd amendment view is not the view of many residents in this state, especially the rural areas. Our state has one very, very large city and over 50% of our state legislature comes from this large city and the area around it. THIS CITY CONTROLS THE ENTIRE STATE.

That's the situation in many states. Here in Virginia, if you go 30 miles outside Fairfax County, the majority of the population is strongly pro-gun. Yet the residents of Fairfax County, Richmond, and a few other places, vastly outnumber and outvote the pro-gun areas. It doesn't seem fair, or wise, to penalize (by boycotting) the entire state for the actions of a relatively small geographic area. In fact that would punish the pro-gun areas more than it would the antigun areas. The same is true of upstate New York versus New York City, etc.

FFGColorado · Aug 9, 2020

Carl N. Brown said:
Post #50 BFFGColorado:
"Biden has joked about dropping Hellfire missiles from F15s on AR owners who don't comply with his proposed AWB."
Pretty funny and not true. Hellfire is carried primary by Apaches and UAVs..not even the F-15E..ahh, the internet..if it's on the internet it MUST be true.

Biden has a thing about F15s with Hellfire missiles.

As early as Oct 2015 Biden's line was: "The Second Amendment doesn’t say you can own a bazooka or an F-15 with hellfire missiles. There is ability of government to limit the type of weapon available."

Joe Biden at a campaign event in Somersworth, N.H. 5 Feb 2020 on AWB refuseniks who wouldn't surrender their ARs: “Those who say ‘the tree of liberty is watered with the blood of patriots’—a great line, well guess what: The fact is, if you’re going to take on the government you need an F-15 with Hellfire Missiles. There is no way an AK-47 is going to take care of you if you’re worried about the government knocking down your door."

So it is true that Biden believes F15s carry Hellfire missiles.

Maybe it's not true that he was joking.

As far as dropping missiles out of the sky on perceived enemies, 14 Oct 2011 Joe Biden was VP in the administration that dropped a missile from a drone to kill an alQaeda leader (Ibrahim al-Banna) in Yemen, hitting a restaurant killing 7 or 9 people (depending on sources) none of whom was the target but who included a sixteen year old American citizen with no personal history of terrorist activity.

That's groovy and cute but gee..looking for the one Where Joe Biden sys he's gonna kill AK/AR owners with a F-15 carrying Hellfire missiles.

Ya really want to go there?...use of UAV killing people in the mideast, under THIS administration?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

During Mr Obama's eight years in office, 1,878 drone strikes were carried out, according to researchers. Since Mr Trump was elected in 2016, there have been 2,243 drone strikes(3.5 years vs 8 years). The Republican president has also made some of the operations, the ones outside of war zones, more secretive. As a result, things have different today: under Mr Trump, there are more drone strikes - and less transparency.

Lawmakers and rights groups have criticized Mr Trump's decision, saying it could allow the CIA to conduct drone strikes without accountability.

"The Trump administration's action is an unnecessary and dangerous step backwards on transparency and accountability for the use of lethal force, and the civilian casualties they cause," Rita Siemion of Human Rights First told AFP news agency.

whughett · Aug 9, 2020

I live in both Rhode Island and Florida and 2 to 4 times a year travel thru states like Ct, NY and NJ. It is what it is as the saying goes. I don’t spend time in any of those states but would if something of interest for myself or the wife was there.
I do let 2A influence my voting choices, but strangely enough that attitude can be applied thru most of the Conservative platform.
My home state for 60 years has been RI so I know what it’s like to spend a life time voting for the losing party.

danez71 · Aug 9, 2020

FFGColorado said:
That's groovy and cute but gee..looking for the one Where Joe Biden sys he's gonna kill AK/AR owners with a F-15 carrying Hellfire missiles.

Ya really want to go there?...use of UAV killing people in the mideast, under THIS administration?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

During Mr Obama's eight years in office, 1,878 drone strikes were carried out, according to researchers. Since Mr Trump was elected in 2016, there have been 2,243 drone strikes(3.5 years vs 8 years). The Republican president has also made some of the operations, the ones outside of war zones, more secretive. As a result, things have different today: under Mr Trump, there are more drone strikes - and less transparency.
Lawmakers and rights groups have criticized Mr Trump's decision, saying it could allow the CIA to conduct drone strikes without accountability.

"The Trump administration's action is an unnecessary and dangerous step backwards on transparency and accountability for the use of lethal force, and the civilian casualties they cause," Rita Siemion of Human Rights First told AFP news agency.

To be fair... the same article also says this....

Mr Trump's executive order does not overturn reporting requirements on civilian deaths set for the military by Congress.

Texasgrillchef · Aug 9, 2020

hso said:
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
§21-1289.13. Transporting a loaded firearm.
Universal Citation: 21 OK Stat § 21-1289.13 (2014)
TRANSPORTING A LOADED FIREARM

Except as otherwise provided by the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act or another provision of law, it shall be unlawful to transport a loaded pistol, rifle or shotgun in a landborne motor vehicle over a public highway or roadway. However, a rifle or shotgun may be transported clip or magazine loaded and not chamber loaded when transported in an exterior locked compartment of the vehicle or trunk of the vehicle or in the interior compartment of the vehicle notwithstanding the provisions of Section 1289.7 of this title when the person is in possession of a valid handgun license pursuant to the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act.

Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall be punished as provided in Section 1289.15 of this title.

Any person who is the operator of a vehicle or is a passenger in any vehicle wherein another person who is licensed pursuant to the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act to carry a handgun, concealed or unconcealed, and is carrying a handgun or has a handgun or rifle or shotgun in such vehicle shall not be deemed in violation of the provisions of this section provided the licensee is in or near the vehicle.

That section is confusing when you take into account .7, If your licenses or have reciprocity with Oklahoma, you can have a loaded handgun in your car.

Either that, or the officer who pulled me over didn’t care about my loaded handgun sitting in the passenger seat. I did show him my LTC when I handed him my DL. Luckily I didn’t get a ticket.

I contacted my family lawyer, and he said as long your licensed you can carry a loaded gun in the car with you while your driving. I forgot to ask him for a citation. But the section I quoted earlier is from...

un, concealed or unconcealed, and is carrying a handgun or has a handgun or rifle or shotgun in such vehicle shall not be deemed in violation of the provisions of this section provided the licensee is in or near the vehicle.[/QUOTE]

From law.justia.com...

https://law.justia.com/codes/oklahoma/2014/title-21/section-21-1289.7/

So is your section you quoted saying it’s not allowed at all? But section 7 says it is if your not otherwise prohibited by law??

Twiki357 · Aug 9, 2020

I lived most of my life in California until I retired 18 years ago and escaped to Arizona. Friends and relatives keep asking when I’m going to come visit and (regardless of the unconstitutional gun restrictions) I keep telling them that I can’t because I don’t have a passport to get back into the United States.

Texasgrillchef · Aug 9, 2020

DoubleMag said:
I agree in principle, but application is a lot more different. Going west I just about must go through IL. I will not fly to HI for vacation, if they wish to remain an island (re: of anti-2a) let them have it. I will not go to CA. Etc. That said, I was actually contemplating a reverse idea as a thread topic, where is it exactly in the USA where I can support that state? Local area? Where they are 100% gun friendly...
So, I cannot go to X grocery store or Z restaurant, or, buy a smartphone from UY, or watch XC sports, all them have anti-2A agendas. If that is a ''so be it, so say we all'' then the we all will save a lot of $ and lose weight from not grocery shopping or eating out LoL!

So by comparison, figuring which state to go on vacation is an easy lift IMHO

Well my answer to that, is it takes time to determine. Several reasons. 1. Your home state LTC as well as any other non-resident Licenses you may have. He. Researching what you can and can’t do in each state with or without a license.

Example... Maine. Constitutional Carry state, but doesn’t recognize Texas LTC. You think on the surface, so what they are constitutional carry. Well True... but there are 4 maybe 5 state parks in Maine that you CAN NOT carry a handgun in them WITHOUT either a Maine LTC, or one Maine recognizes with reciprocity. Meaning.... I can not carry my handgun in those state parks. Until I either get a Maine license, or one that Maine recognizes. Therefore I got a Maine LTC. Very easy to get, and con be done through the mail. Otherwise their gun laws are good as well. I’m not going to buy a gun while I travel, but I may need a gunsmith, or ammo. Those are both easy to do.

So for me Maine is good.

Some other states rate ok, good enough to get by. Others are awesome. Utah I have never had issues. I go to Moab yearly for a 4x4 off road event. Never had an issue. Providing you either have a non-resident Utah &/or a LTC that has reciprocity with Utah.

Watch out for states that are touted as constitutional carry. They have hidden loop holes. Oklahoma, and Maine are two examples.

Here in Texas.... the majority of places are cool with you carrying provided you have a LTC. Never had any issues except for one place, and well COVID drove them out of business... so no loss!

It just takes the time to do the research, and decide for yourself and family what you can and can’t live with and live without.

I don’t travel with any Assault Weapons (sort of) so assault weapons bans don’t matter to me much for travel purposes.

I do have threaded barrels on 3 of my handguns (92FS, p365, and M&P 45) so if going to those states I have to leave my threaded one at home and use my original barrel. CT is one state I can’t go too with Threaded barrels.

Texasgrillchef · Aug 9, 2020

Steve51 said:
As a resident of one of the states you mentioned in your boycott question, I will share a few points.
The anti 2nd amendment view is not the view of many residents in this state, especially the rural areas. Our state has one very, very large city and over 50% of our state legislature comes from this large city and the area around it. THIS CITY CONTROLS THE ENTIRE STATE.
Many of you would say - I am an idiot for living here and should just simply move to another state. Easy to say, not always easy to do. I have an aged mother with Alzheimers. She is in a faciltiy close to our home. She is my responsibility and even though she is in a facility, she still requires my attention every week.
Many of the rural businesses in this state are strong 2nd amendment supporters.

I know and fully understand where your coming from. I have a good friend that lives outside of Buffalo, they live there because they have too. He is an engineer working on some big military contract that has high security. Because of that he gets to carry and have a license. Sadly she doesn’t. She complains about that one huge city that controls the entire state. It’s sad.

Well I won’t call you sad, stupid or pathetic. I do understand where your. Ok’ing from like my friend and her husband. They don’t like it, but he loves his job, but it gives him a free pass to some degree. Her entire housing edition is extremely pro 2nd amendment.

I did notice that your state does still have three bills that haven’t died (yet) that would allow non-residents to get a 90 day Temporary LTC that would be good state wide, including NYC, as well as offer short term 90 day reciprocity for all other states. Not for sure how they would monitor 90day reciprocity. But hey that’s more then any of the other states are doing to help tourist and business travelers!

Who knows if it will pass though. Heck even if it didn’t allow NYC, it would still be an awesome thing to happen!

Texasgrillchef · Aug 9, 2020

Electricmo said:
Back in the 70’s and 80’s you couldn’t hardly concealed carry anywhere. Big world out there. I just Thank God most of my vacation areas are gun friendly. The big cities suck especially now with the virus running it course.

If we want to be truthful, Since 1986, even though that gun act, and a couple of others have sucked. Overall we have made huge strides in positive gun rights since then. We have many states that are now shall issue, that weren’t then, we now have 17 constitutional carry states, albeit 3 of them have it with limitations. Castle doctrine, and stand your ground laws now exist in many states that they never existed before. Even some very liberal states now have passed at least some level of castle doctrine.

So while we have a long ways to go, we have come along ways as well. We are only really down to 9-10 states that still need some major gun laws overhauled. The rest of the 40 states while some could use a little more work, are actually much much better then they used to be!

Texasgrillchef · Aug 9, 2020

whughett said:
I live in both Rhode Island and Florida and 2 to 4 times a year travel thru states like Ct, NY and NJ. It is what it is as the saying goes. I don’t spend time in any of those states but would if something of interest for myself or the wife was there.
I do let 2A influence my voting choices, but strangely enough that attitude can be applied thru most of the Conservative platform.
My home state for 60 years has been RI so I know what it’s like to spend a life time voting for the losing party.

I offer my condolences... but please please please keep voting conservative!

Texasgrillchef · Aug 9, 2020

AlexanderA said:
That's the situation in many states. Here in Virginia, if you go 30 miles outside Fairfax County, the majority of the population is strongly pro-gun. Yet the residents of Fairfax County, Richmond, and a few other places, vastly outnumber and outvote the pro-gun areas. It doesn't seem fair, or wise, to penalize (by boycotting) the entire state for the actions of a relatively small geographic area. In fact that would punish the pro-gun areas more than it would the antigun areas. The same is true of upstate New York versus New York City, etc.

Yet Virginia had one very awesome rally before COVID hit that had not only an impact in Virginia, but the rest of the nation as well. You are right though. The rural areas that are pro 2A suffer.

However I will giver Virginia some credit that New York fails. You had at least 15-20 if not more Sheriffs departments, cities, counties, And even local DA’s that openly setup sanctuary areas, and said they would boldly refuse to arrest, enforce, and prosecute laws they felt were unconstitutional.

Something that Rural New York hasn’t banded together to do just yet. Maybe if they did. They would get more support. I know many people would love to hear if they drove through a few NY sanctuary 2A counties and know they wouldn’t get arrested for carrying their guns per FOPA!

After the Virginia Rally I was really hoping to hear more state counties, Sherrifs, cities proclaiming themselves as 2A sanctuary areas!

Rubone · Aug 9, 2020

Texasgrillchef said:
I’m “boycotting” not just for political 2A reasons, but because I don’t trust the police to PREVENT crimes, or be there to stop crime from happening. I have been mugged/robbed/assaulted 6 times in my life at gun point, All of which could have been prevented or stopped If I had a gun.

So for me, it’s more then just political, it’s about not being able to protect myself.

Armed body guards in the USA are expensive. When I went to London, a bodyguard only cost me $1,000 for a week. Go to NYC and a Armed bodyguard is $3,000 for a week. Although to be fair the one in London isn’t armed, except with a baton, and chemical spray, and a taser.

It is interesting to see though, that while many of you would continue to travel to or through those restrictive states, many of you did say you wouldn’t live in a restrictive state!

Me and my family take a lot of cruises. Firearms aren’t allowed on cruises, but We pretty much feel safe on a cruise, We also take cruise sponsored excursions have felt safe there doing those as well. We take cruises with two major lines, and now have over 100 days cruising.

So we still travel a lot, but in today’s turmoil with Antifa, BLM, and others we try to do what we can to protect ourselves.

I go wherever I like, however, you could not pay me enough to go on a cruise, I'd rather burn my money.... :neener:

Swing · Aug 9, 2020

AlexanderA said:
Most of Europe -- and for that matter, the world -- is antigun (at least on paper). If you're going to boycott every place that is antigun, your horizons will be pretty limited. That's a head-in-the-sand, parochial mentality.

America's Right to Bear Arms is a worldwide anomaly.That's the first point to keep in mind.

The second point is that political boycotts never work. The main thing they do is make the boycotters feel good about themselves. Everybody else ignores them.

^ This. I'm not going to limit my travel, experience, and fun based solely on stupid gun laws. Wouldn't and haven't.

That said, obviously, some places with obnoxious laws the proper measures must be taken if firearms are brought along. And some place, at least one of which the OP mentioned are, frankly, hellholes that I couldn't be paid to visit circa 2020, so it is a moot point.

Robert · Aug 9, 2020

I'm not sure what else we can say that hasn't already been said. Let call it a day.

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