I had both and rebarreled my fast twist long range 243 AR to Creed when set up to shoot the 105-107 HPBTs at magazine length there is little to no actual powder capacity advantage for the 243. And the ability to buy good match grade factory ammo was a huge draw.
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I would encourage the 6mm just to try something different...but that's me. I have two 243s and have killed deer with both. Also shot a bunch of 300yd prairie dogs with my heavy barreled Rem 700 VLS. That would make a good target version for your purpose. If I was buying a 6mm or 6.5mm (the latter is the better option because there is quite a bit of accurate factory ammo available), I would give another nod to the Savage 110 Desert Tactical 6.5 CM. There are a bunch of them available on GunBroker. One I was following sold for $525. Most will end up costing you about $600 with shipping....well within you budget.
Given your goal of killing paper and probably gongs at 200-300 yds, a good .223 would be a very versatile option. Opens up many. many options. Of course the .243 is also quite versatile... the 6mm less so. Good luck. Let us know what you buy. Tom
Given your goal of killing paper and probably gongs at 200-300 yds, a good .223 would be a very versatile option. Opens up many. many options. Of course the .243 is also quite versatile... the 6mm less so. Good luck. Let us know what you buy. Tom
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I didn't know there was a 6mm Creedmoor till very recently and almost never see ammo for sale in gun shops.
So I say 243win.
So I say 243win.
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It's been around since 2009.
ETA: If it makes you feel any better I have never seen a box of 6mm CM ammo in a brick and mortar store either but the internet makes that a non-issue. Soon I will have enough empty brass to justify working up my own load and factory ammunition will become even less critical.
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Suprised there has been only only one vote for the 6mm br, less powder less recoil and muzzle blast then the 243 and great accuracy. I shoot in score benchrest matches and stay right with the 6ppc. I have been wanting to try the 6mm Creedmore, and the 6mm ARC has me interested just wish someone would publish some load info. And someone would sell a 6 ARC upper for less than $800.00.
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Hornady has their data out:
Of course, there’s a lot of 6ppc data out there, and tons of sources for other 6mm variants on the Grendel case as resources for the 6 ARC as well.
Buy a barrel for $250, a bolt for $75, and a $250 upper in 5.56. Put the 5.56 barrel online for sale. An hour later, you’ll have a $500 6 ARC upper.
I just look at one of those Savage 110's yesterday. They certainly have came a long way since I bought my last one nearly 15 years ago. I will be going back tomorrow to put in on layaway.
I don't know how you figure there isn't plenty of accurate ammo for the 6mm. FGMM in both 105 Berger and 107SMK, Hornady loads the 108 ELD M and 103 ELD X there are a couple that load the 112 Barnes bullet, Berger load a their 95 VLD hunting bullet and tha 105 Hybrid and Hornady Black with the 105 HPBT is pretty dang good on a budget.
Not sure how the 6mm is less versatile than the 243 either.
Bought my first rifle, brand new when in 1967. I was in high school, .Remington BDL .243. It still shoots well. Every thing form target, ground hogs, deer. Do not see the need for a 6mm or a 6.5 cred. IMHO all this hipe over the 6.5, to me, it is like trying to reinvent the wheel. Just like the tool companys, the allen was wotking just fine, then along came the torx.
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I prefer to have guns where how much ammo I have and can get isn't completely tied to how much I can reload for it.
But that's just me.
But that's just me.
Do you still have wooden wheels and innertubes on your car?
If having a case that's optimized to shoot long VLD type bullets in a AR10 or short action bolt gun doesn't interest you that's fine, trying to deny that the advantage exist is foolish.
PS I have scars from stripped Allen bolts and have had to drill and ez-out more than a few.
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It’s not. Frankly, in factory offered rifles, the 6 creed is notably MORE versatile than the 243win.
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What I get from this is that the 6 creed is better but you have to roll your own. If like me, you don't shoot enough centerfire to reload, the 243 is the only option between those two. If I get to my hunting spot and forget my ammo, I'll be hours from home. That's happened. I like to be able to find ammo locally and quickly. I suppose that is lazy and stupid to some. I prefer economical of effort.
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Thanks for posting this, I'm thinking of ordering a mcgowen barrel since the ballistic advantage are still out of stock. I still can't decide on a barrel length either.
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You don’t have to reload 6 creed any more. Not for about 3 years now.
Wouldn't economy of effort be just making a check list before leaving the house, instead of hoping the local store carries the ammo your gun is sighted for?
And for the record the Attwoods by my house during the last panic spree only had 270 and 6mm Creed on the shelf.
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Right, you just have to be willing to order ammo on line if none of your local stores carry it.
ETA: Stop at Cabelas on the way back from running for some parts and they had 4 or 5 different offerings in 6mm Creedmoor. I probably should have bought two or three boxes of the Hornady Black since it was on sale. $23 box vs $27.
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Exactly. Which is why I recommended the 6mm Creedmoor, even though I'm pretty invested in the .243. The only way I'd choose a .243 over a 6 Creedmoor today would be if the rifle I wanted was not available in 6mm Creedmoor. For instance, I haven't seen a Model 7 in 6 Creed yet.
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Well yes you are right. At my age I would forget the list but I will try to do that. In my defense I haven't done that for 30 or 40 years but I am not trustworthy anymore. I have seen 6.5 Creedmore on shelves. In any case, I felt inspired and bought a .243 on Walmart clearance today. They had ammo. I would have bought a 6.5 C if they had one. If I were to build a rifle a 6 MM creedmore would be in the running.
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6 Creed will become more readily available over time. It won't quite attain 6.5 status, but it will become more mainstream. I can only pray it doesn't draw Creedtards in droves.
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Here's a pretty good cartridge comparison: .243 Win, 6mm Creedmoor, and 6.5 Creedmoor.
https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/6mm-creedmoor/
https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/6mm-creedmoor/
Unless you're shooting real long range 800+ you don't need the 105+ gr long bullets so the faster twist isn't required. For a hunting rifle there's really no advantage to the fast twist.
Although if I was still deer hunting the 6mm ARC shooting the 103 ELD X in a mini bolt or AR would be Goldilocks.
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Something worth noting is that the 243 has greater case capacity than the 6 Creed. The handloader can push the 243 up to the same pressures as the 6 Creed and outrun it with the same weight bullet.
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But 243 Win typically does not have the twist rate or the room in of front of the case for the long heavy VLD bullets that 6mm CM can push.
I believe 6 mm Remington has even more case volume the 243 Win.
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