May the revolver gods forgive me!
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For CC, an autoloader is definitely the way to go, Elm Creek Smith. SIG P365 without a safety for me. I've owned many autoloaders for a long time, and only one revolver until recently. I'm a fan of 40S&W and 10mm, so I obtained an M610. I really enjoy the flexibility of the two calibers, the numerous reloading options, and not having to chase down my brass over into the next county.I enjoy it so much, I've obtained larger and larger bore revolvers and am having a literal and figurative blast with them! We need both, Elm Creek Smith; your sins are forgiven.
Until the recent bedlam in the streets and rioters moving into neighborhoods and blocking streets and highways, my revolvers were just fine for concealed (or open) carry. Now there are just too many pieces of offal in the street too many places too long and with too little regard for the rights of others. It was the videos of the now dead idiot in Austin with his AK, the two morons who drew pistols on the guy in the GMC pickup truck in Indianapolis, car windows being smashed, and people being dragged out of their cars that drove my change. I put a folding stock and red dot on my Mini-14, and that rides in the Jeep Cherokee, too. If there's an opening, I'm driving through. If not,...
Another thread dealt with this subject recently. There was a link to an article from Mas Ayoob about finding yourself driving through a riot. The piece of advice he gave that stood out to me was to turn your hazard lights on ASAP. This means you have an emergency and you need through. Also if rioters are taking video in an attempt to frame you as a crazy person trying to run down protesters, driving very slowly with your four way flashers on puts a kink in their narrative.
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I love revolvers and I gravitate towards them when I need something on my bedside. They're natural pointers, feel heavy and easy to use.
But the reason I've been leaning towards semi-autos is because I know how precise tuned a revolver has to be. They're not frail; but when they fail you're in for a headache. When revolvers get worn, you loose confidence in your own weapon. Would you rather have a cylinder that wobbles side to side, or a slide that rattles back and forth? Everything in a semi-auto is designed in the same plane of direction, there is not as much fine tuning required. On a revolver, you have alot more directions you have to account for in it's design. Cylinder gap, cylinder stop timing, hand position, ejector rod, cylinder star/ejector, mainsprings, hand springs and trigger springs.
I can take apart and put back together a Trooper Mk3 in my sleep, so I can also with a Glock. But on a Trooper, if any of those parts are worn out of function, you're out of luck with your weapon. On the Glock, you can get away with removing a few springs but the gun will still bang. Honestly the headache I've had with worn revolvers has made me really appreciate the easy engineering of modern semi-autos. Even if it's a battle-rattle slide, you can replace it but use all the same slide parts. On a revolver if you want to replace the barrel, that's a whole other machining operation (unless it's a Dan Wesson.)
The revolver is a all metal work of art. It's fine tuned and fitted and there's many aspects of it that a true artisan would appreciate. I still consider it a elegant weapon for a more civilized age. But a semi-auto is more reminiscent of the wood stocked pistols of the bygone age. The wood stock has become the polymer frame, the lock has become the slide and now the barrel is encased in the slide/lock.
So nothing wrong with going with a semi-auto, especially in the different environment we live in nowadays. Honestly I'm more worried on how good of care you're taking care of your revolvers, which I have full faith you've already been doing.
But the reason I've been leaning towards semi-autos is because I know how precise tuned a revolver has to be. They're not frail; but when they fail you're in for a headache. When revolvers get worn, you loose confidence in your own weapon. Would you rather have a cylinder that wobbles side to side, or a slide that rattles back and forth? Everything in a semi-auto is designed in the same plane of direction, there is not as much fine tuning required. On a revolver, you have alot more directions you have to account for in it's design. Cylinder gap, cylinder stop timing, hand position, ejector rod, cylinder star/ejector, mainsprings, hand springs and trigger springs.
I can take apart and put back together a Trooper Mk3 in my sleep, so I can also with a Glock. But on a Trooper, if any of those parts are worn out of function, you're out of luck with your weapon. On the Glock, you can get away with removing a few springs but the gun will still bang. Honestly the headache I've had with worn revolvers has made me really appreciate the easy engineering of modern semi-autos. Even if it's a battle-rattle slide, you can replace it but use all the same slide parts. On a revolver if you want to replace the barrel, that's a whole other machining operation (unless it's a Dan Wesson.)
The revolver is a all metal work of art. It's fine tuned and fitted and there's many aspects of it that a true artisan would appreciate. I still consider it a elegant weapon for a more civilized age. But a semi-auto is more reminiscent of the wood stocked pistols of the bygone age. The wood stock has become the polymer frame, the lock has become the slide and now the barrel is encased in the slide/lock.
So nothing wrong with going with a semi-auto, especially in the different environment we live in nowadays. Honestly I'm more worried on how good of care you're taking care of your revolvers, which I have full faith you've already been doing.
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Just wondering, does anyone make an extended threaded barrel for the SD9? Y'know, just because.
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They are just fine, resting comfortably in the pistol safe until things calm down enough for me to start wearing them again. The S&W Model 65-1 will likely come out during hunting season if I can manage to get to the woods. My back yard:
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@Elm Creek Smith
At 71 I agree.
I didn't survive a year in Viet Nam and 21 years on the street to get taken out by a mob of wierdo's
I drive a huge, jacked up, Hemi Durango with a brush bumper.
I'm Too old to fight or run so some knucklehead is getting ventilated or run over.
The Smith 649 got replaced by a CZ 75 B. 17 plus one and a spare may for a total of 35, and a CZ 75 Compact with14 + 1_ a spare may for 29.
Total is 64!
Plus a 9MM carbine in the truck with 2 30 rd mags.
I'm no hero, or John Wayne imitator, and I'm not looking for trouble, but If it finds me I'm going home in one piece, uninjured.
At 71 I agree.
I didn't survive a year in Viet Nam and 21 years on the street to get taken out by a mob of wierdo's
I drive a huge, jacked up, Hemi Durango with a brush bumper.
I'm Too old to fight or run so some knucklehead is getting ventilated or run over.
The Smith 649 got replaced by a CZ 75 B. 17 plus one and a spare may for a total of 35, and a CZ 75 Compact with14 + 1_ a spare may for 29.
Total is 64!
Plus a 9MM carbine in the truck with 2 30 rd mags.
I'm no hero, or John Wayne imitator, and I'm not looking for trouble, but If it finds me I'm going home in one piece, uninjured.
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I like the idea of the Brush Bumper. I now carry a 500 Cruiser. Been thinking about a Shockwave.
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I seem to be stuck in single stack land. The 15 and 17 rounders I own are just too heavy to pack, my body shape is not conducive to heavy guns. I’m down to 3 carry guns, a Taurus 85 revolver 2” 5 rounder. Very easy to carry in a Sticky. A Ruger LC9S Pro 7+1 also in a Sticky and my heaviest, a Kimber 9mm Aegis Elite Ultra 8+1 in a Clinger appendix carry. I have extra mags and speed loaders for all
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A J frame is great if confronted by a single assailant. In these times of strife a semi auto preferably of "normal capacity" is greatly preferable.
IMHO in urban areas "gun up", in normal areas "carry on".
I carry:
Hot weather: LCP
EDC: Shield
Hot zones: XD-45
I always carry.
IMHO in urban areas "gun up", in normal areas "carry on".
I carry:
Hot weather: LCP
EDC: Shield
Hot zones: XD-45
I always carry.
I can't and won't fault you for doing what ever brings you peace of mind.
I will note, accuracy is everything, and reliablity over capacity.
If involved in a situation like you described, I expect folks would scatter if shooting started.
The old adage, "you can't miss fast enough " is true. A lawyer looking to flay you is attached to every bullet in that magazine. As always, know your target and what is behind it.
Maybe you hit the threatening looter who is drawing their gun to take aim at you, but maybe you miss and hit the college kid there to peacefully protest and do what they feel is the right thing. Wrong place, wrong time.
A revolver goes a long way to show you are a guy just looking to defend himself and his.
Ol Murphy's law will always hold sway. There's a thread on the revolver board that mentioned a home invasion at 1 am with 3 criminals.
The home owner grabbed his glock 19, by all accounts a supremely reliable auto loader.
Whether nerves, or Murphy, a poor hold, a bad load... His glock jammed after a single round.
He wasn't able to bring it back into action and had to go for another gun (Kriss vector I think).
Anyway, all we mere mortals can do is choose a weapon and spend time getting very accurate and safe/familiar with it.
In the above account, a model 10 that was able to discharge all 6 38s would have served him better. There's nothing to say something couldn't also break in the revolver in that dire hour.
To bring it around, do what gives you the most peace.
I will note, accuracy is everything, and reliablity over capacity.
If involved in a situation like you described, I expect folks would scatter if shooting started.
The old adage, "you can't miss fast enough " is true. A lawyer looking to flay you is attached to every bullet in that magazine. As always, know your target and what is behind it.
Maybe you hit the threatening looter who is drawing their gun to take aim at you, but maybe you miss and hit the college kid there to peacefully protest and do what they feel is the right thing. Wrong place, wrong time.
A revolver goes a long way to show you are a guy just looking to defend himself and his.
Ol Murphy's law will always hold sway. There's a thread on the revolver board that mentioned a home invasion at 1 am with 3 criminals.
The home owner grabbed his glock 19, by all accounts a supremely reliable auto loader.
Whether nerves, or Murphy, a poor hold, a bad load... His glock jammed after a single round.
He wasn't able to bring it back into action and had to go for another gun (Kriss vector I think).
Anyway, all we mere mortals can do is choose a weapon and spend time getting very accurate and safe/familiar with it.
In the above account, a model 10 that was able to discharge all 6 38s would have served him better. There's nothing to say something couldn't also break in the revolver in that dire hour.
To bring it around, do what gives you the most peace.
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