A Revolutionary New AR that weighs 5 pounds

Do they also sell sweet Navy SEAL watches and combat knives? I’ll bet they do.

Coal Dragger said:

Do they also sell sweet Navy SEAL watches and combat knives? I’ll bet they do.

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Coming soon. For now they’re limited to paracord survival bracelets and iron-on moral patches. * Paracord bracelet orders limited to DoD only, no exceptions. Buy one get the second 1/2 off thru June 2019. Strict limit of 4 per household...er...Department*

Coal Dragger said:

Probably non functional weapons to stump armorer students for their final exams:

Here’s a dorked up hunk of crap that won’t complete the cycle of operation. Make it work is your final exam.

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I spent the first 3 months at my Arms Room doing just that to a bunch of M16A1's that had been dragged through Vietnam ten years before I saw them....

Wow this thread has gotten childish fast. Haven’t seen anyone here say they have any firsthand experience with the products they build but everyone is convinced it’s junk. Sounds like all the kids who call expensive sports cars junk that have never even seen one much less driven it.

Dunno if they are good or not, but I agree that their website does not inspire confidence.

"About 5 lbs"... Is that 5 or 5.9 or what? A manufacturer should have their own proper specs.

"Ceramic coat" finish... is that the Walmart version? Or krylon?

"30-60 days or less"...what kind of grammar is that?

What were those companies in the late 90's and early 2000's that built those 50 cals that were blowing people's faces off and kept switching names? Reminds me of their website.

But, I hope we are all wrong and they make a great product.

Sometimes machining and engineering geniuses are terrible sales and businessmen.

someguy2800 said:

Sounds like all the kids who call expensive sports cars junk that have never even seen one much less driven it.

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Well, maybe a little.
But, most of the kids around here not only have and have driven these sport cars, we are exceptionally versed in their manufacture too.

It very well may be a fantastic rifle, but I know when the $20 Trinity Force Flip-ups are on backward. I have a set.



Were I not as well versed in ARs I would appreciate the rundown on the rifle and website.
That is a lot of money to put down.
I would be disappointed to find out my first venture into sports cars was a Pontiac Fiero with gull-wing doors, when I thought I was getting something more along the lines of a BCM or Battle Arms.

Education is key. We’re just giving him a bit.

And who doesn’t like picking on a Fiero with a Ferrari plastic body kit?

That's an awfully vague set of specifications for such an expensive carbine.

Most high end manufacturers know to list materials, not just vague descriptors.

"About 5 pounds"? Is that 5.5? 4.7? That's a pretty significant range.

I won't say it's not a nice rifle, but their website screams "fly by night assembler" to me. Not "high end manufacturer". I'll let some reviews roll in before I say one way or the other.

I wonder if there is risk of the magnesium used in construction igniting?

Doesn't know the difference between a quad rail and a keymod rail?

X62503 said:

I wonder if there is risk of the magnesium used in construction igniting?

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This is is likely a magnesium aluminum alloy which will not burn. It’s actually pretty difficult to get pure magnesium to burn unless you shave it in thin strips.

Well I’m thinking this thread didn’t go like the OP expected.

I have to say though, there’s more knowledge on this forum about firearms that any other. If I were the OP, and the manufacturer I ordered my gun from got flamed like this, I’d cancel my order ASAP. I’ve never seen flaming like this before. And I’ve seen a lot of HiPoint threads.

someguy2800 said:

Wow this thread has gotten childish fast. Haven’t seen anyone here say they have any firsthand experience with the products they build but everyone is convinced it’s junk. Sounds like all the kids who call expensive sports cars junk that have never even seen one much less driven it.

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Some perhaps have taken it a bit far but the only reason I Commented on thinking the site looked fishy because I’d hate to see someone get scammed. One of our members just got taken on a Dan Wesson purchased off gunbroker. I hate to see people get screwed over, never know when it’s your turn.

I’d like to think everyone else has the same motives

Tommygunn said:

How much does an M-1 Carbine weigh? ? ????

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"About 5 lbs."

Of course, that's the steel and wood version, if you want the magnesium version.... lol

Tommygunn said:

How much does an M-1 Carbine weigh? ? ????

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Not much!


A tad less than my $750 "somewhat light" build if you take away the 0.41 lbs of the optic. I think you could call both "about 5 lbs".

UA Arms - Ultimate Arms Arms - is held by TSG Global Holdings - The Sandi Group. Effectively a real estate holding, developing, and trading group - largely looks to be a VC and capital management firm with their finger in a lot of sugar jars. When you view TSG’s “about us” link, you’ll be greeted with a slideshow with photos of the company’s namesake, Dr. Sandi, shaking hands and embracing with Presidents Clinton and Obama, Vice President Biden, and Secretary Kerry, which tells me everything I need to know about buying firearms from them.

Interestingly enough, reviewing the held companies, Ultimate Arms isn’t even the only “UA Arms” TSG markets - Uselton Arms is another name under which they market the exact same product lines. This shines a bit of a light on how this all came to be: Rick Uselton, of course, being one of the “design consultants” Cerberus group hired to “design” the 1911 for Remington. Observationally, after failing at Remington, he was doing well enough for himself as a custom 1911 builder, but apparently got the high cost idea to start using an explosion welded magnesium/aluminum material for 1911’s (different than alloyment), and extrapolating a bit, he sought a VC partner in TSG to foot the bill for the business. I would assume that the Ultimate Arms rebranding is in the interest of avoiding retooling and copywriting for the UA moniker, while severing in some way or expanding beyond the involvement of Rick Uselton.

As stated on their site, and speculated by several of us here, they are not manufacturing ANY of their parts, and simply assembling in house... then charging ridiculous prices.

Most of the TSG Holding brand websites, including their own, are very similarly - which is to say “poorly” - themed. Exceptionally little detail, stock brochures and jpegs of virtual catalogs rather than actual web-design, lots of buzzwords and self-aggrandizing.

So it might not be a straight-up scam, but it certainly isn’t a stand-up company. It’s just an assembly shop with a technology and manufacturing partnership with a boutique materials (metals) manufacturer, and outsourced parts contracts.

Goodness gracious you guys are hard on a fella.

OP, I hope that you like your gun and find it to be worth the price of admission. If, however you are unhappy with it I hope that you are able to be made happy in some way.

WestKentucky said:

Goodness gracious you guys are hard on a fella.

OP, I hope that you like your gun and find it to be worth the price of admission. If, however you are unhappy with it I hope that you are able to be made happy in some way.

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Honestly, I look it as looking out for a fellow gun enthusiast. That website just screams of scam! Even if someone somehow ends up with a firearm after ordering it from this site, I can tell you it's not worth the price of admission. I don't have to handle or see the gun in person to already tell you this. I own quite a few AR rifles. I have my own "lightweight" build. This is someone attempting to capitalize or scam people with the way the market is right now and not being able to get an AR in most reputable stores right now.

If you have over $2K to throw away, this is a good website to do it on.

Pass.


"About 5 lbs."

$2300

OP I would cancel the order most rikki tik and hope it’s not a big hassle getting a refund if your credit card has already been dinged.

I have a hack for lightening my AR: it's called a "5 round magazine".

I was a whole lot younger, but I don't remember my XM16E1 being heavy. Maybe it's those aluminum handguards in use today.

Coal Dragger said:

Do they also sell sweet Navy SEAL watches and combat knives? I’ll bet they do.

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Or Tactical John Waynes.

someguy2800 said:

This is is likely a magnesium aluminum alloy which will not burn. It’s actually pretty difficult to get pure magnesium to burn unless you shave it in thin strips.

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Yes, but under normal atmospheric conditions. What happens when it is exposed to 30k psi and high heat? It will catch fire in any size, but the amount of energy it needs to do so, grows exponentially with the diameter of the piece of magnesium. The issue with magnesium is that when it does burn, it burns at something like 4000°F.

I've actually caught titanium on fire before, for what its worth. And on an extremely underpowered lathe. Never has steel or aluminum done that in my experiences.

Now about the website... Im not impressed at all. Seems like a "tourist trap".