This will not get better in November due to the fact that a prominent member of one party said they should not ever concede defeat. (Keep fight till it’s stolen???). Another member of the same party told a night show host that the rioting (peaceful rioters) will not stop after the election. The game plan is set for when they lose in November and it will entail Berning the average hard working, tax payer. (Hopefully not literally but that seems to be on the table too.) This is not “sky falling” mentality. That party publicly said this BS. I don’t blame non gun people for arming their family and jumping on the first overpriced case of ammo they find.
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<Sigh> guys unless you are saying the party is going to pass laws saying they can no longer manufacture ammo this panic will end, just like they all do. I know it's fun to yell the sky is falling but it's not. At least not yet. The places that make ammo, primers, ect are cranking out the stuff. It's grabbed up by buyers as fast as it comes out the door. The sky is falling crowd wants to believe no one is shooting now too. So where is all this stuff going? Do they really think people are building warehouse's that cover aches of land and storing this stuff? Sooner or later people who pile it deep stop buying. When they do the pipe line fills back up.
Now if they do get the laws they have been wetting themselves over and make it illegal? Then the manufacturing will stop but no one will much care as you will not be able to legally use it either. It is amazing to watch this panic porn over this. The law makers can only do what they are allowed to do. If people really get tired of this they can change things. So far they have not in mass decided they do not like this. Most gun owners just ignore it. Maybe one side will finally wake a sleeping giant, maybe not. All the panic is amazing to watch.
Quite possibly people feel our freedom is in jeopardy. Unhinged, radicals who will shout down the elderly and intimidate and threaten a US Senator show us that we are not in normal times. Burning cities with almost no accountability. A political party posting bail for the criminals. This panic will end but it is not a normal panic. It is deeper and causing actual fear in families. Police are tired of the BS and retiring so people believe they must defend themselves. This is not like a mass shooting where people wait years for laws to be slowly changed or not changed at all. This panic will end one way or another but it isn’t the average sigh worthy panic. Core fundamentals are at the heart of this one. If we’re lucky it will end with a yawn though. Hopefully there’s a path for a boring ending to this one.
But I am happy I won’t have to pay over $110 each for my next few cases of my 9mm!
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Quite possibly people feel our freedom is in jeopardy. Unhinged, radicals who will shout down the elderly and intimidate and threaten a US Senator show us that we are not in normal times. Burning cities with almost no accountability. A political party posting bail for the criminals. This panic will end but it is not a normal panic. It is deeper and causing actual fear in families. Police are tired of the BS and retiring so people believe they must defend themselves. This is not like a mass shooting where people wait years for laws to be slowly changed or not changed at all. This panic will end one way or another but it isn’t the average sigh worthy panic. Core fundamentals are at the heart of this one. If we’re lucky it will end with a yawn though. Hopefully there’s a path for a boring ending to this one.
But I am happy I won’t have to pay over $110 each for my next few cases of my 9mm!
I agree and am shocked at what society has devolved into. Watching some of the news from sources that will show it raises my blood pressure. For those who want to scream panic they need to remember. Everything that is happening is happening because a majority of the people allow it. When or if the people decide they have had enough it can and will change. A LOT of the people screaming the end is here support law makers who allow this to happen. What I sigh at is people screaming the end is here and we have lost. If we have that's sad but taking to the net to try to panic everyone will not change anything. Gun rights vanish because too many gun owners do not care. If they do shut down the places that make the stuff having a garage full of it will not make a difference. People can only stock up and store up so much. Sooner or later they stop buying and price goes back to normal. If the world does come to an end? Well the voters decided this is what they wanted and we have to live with it. We shall see in November. If we find that the majority is still content with the way things are? We will have to deal with it. Running around in a panic will change nothing.
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Holy crap, I didn't realize it was this bad already
I’m not sure who you are a saying is running around in a panic? I am pointing out some things about the current situation hoping people take it seriously and vote. Others on THR who mention how screwed the world is right now are not always giving up. We are making sure everyone is woke up. I’ll admit it might be redundant because hopefully everyone has seen the news but not everyone has heard just how far the left is willing to go.
(never concede defeat and keep rioting after they lose)
Those are pieces of information that might be useful to a law abiding family who doesn’t delved deep into the recent unrest.
Please do not support the professional "resellers" as they are part of what drives these shortages.
It'll end.
There is more at work in the world than the forces of darkness and chaos.
Hypocrisy reveals itself. The world was listening after George Floyd, but when the body count from riots surpasses that of the supposed injustice than you lose in the will and the heart.
I'm not trying to be banned, censored, or divert from the purpose of this thread but take heart. The majority of people are still good, and just want to take care of their loved ones.
They pay these outrages prices because of fear, and fear makes one fail to act and think logically.
If I was very scared of resource scarcity, rioting, or martial law whatever it may be and I just bought a firearm but the cost of a box of ammo was the same as the gun, what is your life worth?
But the worm has turned. When the Ronald McDonald house was broken into while sick families huddled inside, even Jesse Jackson et al have come out against this.
Folks are rational, and believe in the right to protest peacefully, but they don't understand abject mindless violence being allowed while their local businesses remain shut.
This is a chaotic season, but it will pass. Whether herd immunity or vaccine, the corona virus will abate. These other issues seem to largely crop up every 4 years, and people intrinsically understand that the revolution will not be televised. If Nike and footlocker etc sponsor your movement I dare say it is hardly grass roots and organic.
Hold strong, help new gun owners out where you can. Bring them into the fold. Get them active. This is a better plan in the long haul.
I've taken 4 brand new very liberal gun owners to the range. Conversation is quite interesting. They never saw the world as unstable previously, and really believed life would never change too terribly much.
We run 22lr, usually single shot until the fundamentals are sound. Having more folks with some skin in the game for gun rights, self defense rights etc is truly a blessing.
There is more at work in the world than the forces of darkness and chaos.
Hypocrisy reveals itself. The world was listening after George Floyd, but when the body count from riots surpasses that of the supposed injustice than you lose in the will and the heart.
I'm not trying to be banned, censored, or divert from the purpose of this thread but take heart. The majority of people are still good, and just want to take care of their loved ones.
They pay these outrages prices because of fear, and fear makes one fail to act and think logically.
If I was very scared of resource scarcity, rioting, or martial law whatever it may be and I just bought a firearm but the cost of a box of ammo was the same as the gun, what is your life worth?
But the worm has turned. When the Ronald McDonald house was broken into while sick families huddled inside, even Jesse Jackson et al have come out against this.
Folks are rational, and believe in the right to protest peacefully, but they don't understand abject mindless violence being allowed while their local businesses remain shut.
This is a chaotic season, but it will pass. Whether herd immunity or vaccine, the corona virus will abate. These other issues seem to largely crop up every 4 years, and people intrinsically understand that the revolution will not be televised. If Nike and footlocker etc sponsor your movement I dare say it is hardly grass roots and organic.
Hold strong, help new gun owners out where you can. Bring them into the fold. Get them active. This is a better plan in the long haul.
I've taken 4 brand new very liberal gun owners to the range. Conversation is quite interesting. They never saw the world as unstable previously, and really believed life would never change too terribly much.
We run 22lr, usually single shot until the fundamentals are sound. Having more folks with some skin in the game for gun rights, self defense rights etc is truly a blessing.
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I manage a pawn and gun shop and have been seeing what we're going through stocking ammo. I just paid $0.60 a round for some more 9mm for myself.
I have heard from several customers that have bought (more correctly, paid for) ammo online and are being told there is a multi week if not month wait for shipment.
Reloadron
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Been there and done that.
Played that game during the Clinton years. What we are seeing now is almost like a "perfect storm" with COVID-19 plus civil unrest plus an upcoming election all contributing. Combine that with the fact that 22 LR aside the 9mm is likely thee most popular cartridge. My heart goes out to you.
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We are ordering by caliber now, as in "I need 9mm, 45 ACP, .380 ACP, send me what you have."Been there and done that.
We aren't able to select much in the way of brand or bullet type. Might get FMJ, might get JHP, who knows?
We don't get full cases much, although the other day we got in a case of 9mm and 45 ACP. I just bought the last two of the 9mm and one guy came in and bought all 10 boxes of 45. We have zero 9mm, 38 Spl, a couple of boxes of leadfree UMC .380, and so on.
Thanks, but it's just a storm, regardless of how "perfect" it might be.
Does remind me of that Chinese curse, May you live in interesting times.
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Yeah and like all storms it will pass. Most of us have weathered plenty before this one.
Ron
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Perhaps you institute a limit of 2-3 boxes so someone doesn't come in and buy them all and then resell them
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Think so huh? Not so sure that this will just a passing storm. What ever the high cost is now, and you do not have any ammo then buy now. If you were not prepared before, don't keep on making the same mistake.
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Reloadron
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Well while I don't have a crystal ball I figure things this way. Following Sandy Hook the drought was long, longer than anything I remember during my time reloading going back to '72. What, about two years? I haven't bought much of anything lately since between loaded ammunition and reloading components I am likely good for the remainder of my natural life. Right now while I see high demand for ammunition like 9mm I really do not see things as scarce as following Sandy Hook. Then too, if I were really, really good at predicting markets I would not be paying a financial advisor to manage what my wife and I have.
So anyway all things considered I figure we need to look at the root causes for this shortage. There is of course the COVID-19 thing and the recent and ongoing civil unrest which has driven new gun sales over the top and we toss in the uncertainty of an upcoming election. With the election if the wrong guy gets in obviously the storm will persist. Matter of fact if anything driving this storm persist obviously the storm will last longer.
Now for those who need and can afford ammunition then by all means buy it. That does not mean a young couple starting out with a family should go into debt to buy ammunition. People should live within their means. So yeah, buy now but place a few restrictions on buying only what you can afford. You don't run up a few grand on credit cards because you want 9mm at eighty cents a round. That is my point.
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I do not see the root cause of the shortage being the Virus. The Civil unrest is getting out of control every day. We have not even made it to the elections yet. After the elections the rioting could very well become much worse or on the other hand, gun restrictions up the rear end. Obviously we have to put up with so much crap even under normal times and every 4 years when a election comes around and brace for yet another shortage. And 4 years goes fast. No I do not have a crystal ball, but I can see a dark could in the sky and will not wait until a downpour to buy a umbrella.
You have two choices, wait and hope. Or buy now and be prepared. (if you have not already stocked up). Third choice is to just sit back and call a cop if you need help
If you do not have ammo, then sell thy cloak and buy some.
You have two choices, wait and hope. Or buy now and be prepared. (if you have not already stocked up). Third choice is to just sit back and call a cop if you need help
If you do not have ammo, then sell thy cloak and buy some.
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Agree. I would say things have escalated significantly in the last week as well, which suggests there is no slowdown in demand likely.
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Then there are those who learned from the past. Those unaffected by the current mess. As to the status quo? I am not about to buy into the sky is falling. Not just yet. Then too, if the sky does fall I am prepared so I guess it matters not much to me.
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If you are near Memphis TN, there were cases of 9mm about four days ago in Classic Arms, in Cordova TN.
Shipping? No. They don't need to ship. The owner also is a co-owner of Top Gun store/range in Bartlett.
They sell it >>only<< in individual 50-rd. boxes.
Even if this present anxiety over ammo subsides many months from now, a huge number of people (-we know that some people were broke/underage/living overseas-) probably won't remember the lesson about personal initiative.
Hartkopf: you described the many weirdly-overlapping reasons for so much anxiety now about personal security.
Maybe you also mentioned the constant graphic images of aggression, burning objects, broken shop glass etc.
My suggestion is that people might be watching news websites or tv so often that they (I've also done this) can only >> remember << the negative images. Imprinting bad scenes every day.
Sadly, the good, peaceful images of the other 99.8% of American life seldom tends draw our attention.
It's never exciting, and pleasant images never cause a "protective reaction", the Angst vor Einkreisung (encirclement). Ammo prices could remain high even past next winter?
Shipping? No. They don't need to ship. The owner also is a co-owner of Top Gun store/range in Bartlett.
They sell it >>only<< in individual 50-rd. boxes.
Even if this present anxiety over ammo subsides many months from now, a huge number of people (-we know that some people were broke/underage/living overseas-) probably won't remember the lesson about personal initiative.
Hartkopf: you described the many weirdly-overlapping reasons for so much anxiety now about personal security.
Maybe you also mentioned the constant graphic images of aggression, burning objects, broken shop glass etc.
My suggestion is that people might be watching news websites or tv so often that they (I've also done this) can only >> remember << the negative images. Imprinting bad scenes every day.
Sadly, the good, peaceful images of the other 99.8% of American life seldom tends draw our attention.It's never exciting, and pleasant images never cause a "protective reaction", the Angst vor Einkreisung (encirclement). Ammo prices could remain high even past next winter?
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Good luck finding ammo in any of the popular cartridges...............you may want to see what ammo is available and then search for a gun.
380 was always a lot higher than 9mm, even before the panics and scares
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Yes, the new owners, the unprepared and/or shortsighted ones too.
I never considered them a premium brand but business is good for all manufacturers right now, if they still have any at the plant or warehoused, they should find new distributors.
I didn't expect to find much, but I wasn't expecting the cheapest thing to be $80 for a box of 50...
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I didn't expect to find much, but I wasn't expecting the cheapest thing to be $80 for a box of 50...
Here is a pic, back in Late March, I shot a typical range session with a Pocket gun (kahr P380) of 200 rds without even batting a eye. Shot that many rounds a number of times each month. And now? Lol, and anyone think it is going to get better any time soon is IMO dreaming.
Order delivered to door on March 16,2020
TSAE380AP - AE380AP Federal American Eagle 380 ACP Auto Ammo 95 Grain Full Metal Jacket-Box of 50 2 $11.49 $22.98
TSL380AP - L380AP Remington UMC 380 ACP AUTO Ammo 95 Grain Full Metal Jacket-Box of 50 4 $12.87 $51.48
Fortunately I started stocking up years ago and have a good supply. However, I do not shoot hardly any at all. Once shot, not replaceable.
Those were the GOOD OLE DAYS!
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