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Looking for some high quality, proven to work, mace for my wife to carry in her purse.
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Mace is a brand name for a mixture that used CS. Like Kleenex and Xerox it’s come to represent all types of chemical defensive sprays. OC is the standard these days and there are several good brands. Fox Labs is a good brand. I’m sure others will have a different recommendation. I don’t remember what my department issued, I’ve been retired for a while now.
 
Jeff White said:
Mace is a brand name for a mixture that used CS. Like Kleenex and Xerox it’s come to represent all types of chemical defensive sprays. OC is the standard these days and there are several good brands. Fox Labs is a good brand. I’m sure others will have a different recommendation. I don’t remember what my department issued, I’ve been retired for a while now.
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Thanks for explaining and clearing that up for me, as well as the name brand suggestion.

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Mace is concentrated tear gas, it's the old kid on the block. Pepper Spray is the way to go, much more effective.
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Ahhh, I didnt know this either. I will do a search for Pepper Spray as well. Thanks
 
Along with whatever spray you choose for your wife... Please make a point of teaching her the best, most effective way of using it. Part of that is learning what it can’t do for you as well as it’s other drawbacks...

The best instruction would be an organized class - but informative articles or even the literature that the manufacturer provides can be useful.

Most folks simply carry or keep nearby that can of spray “in case” with little thought of how they’ll use it on that one time it’s needed...

Lastly, for women in particular, having a canister of OC in your purse when an attacker might just do a purse snatch to begin an assault... might not be your best tactic.

By the way, years ago on my department any officer wanting to carry spray had to take a hit with it as part of our training regime.
 
lemaymiami said:
Along with whatever spray you choose for your wife... Please make a point of teaching her the best, most effective way of using it. Part of that is learning what it can’t do for you as well as it’s other drawbacks...

The best instruction would be an organized class - but informative articles or even the literature that the manufacturer provides can be useful.

Most folks simply carry or keep nearby that can of spray “in case” with little thought of how they’ll use it on that one time it’s needed...

Lastly, for women in particular, having a canister of OC in your purse when an attacker might just do a purse snatch to begin an assault... might not be your best tactic.

By the way, years ago on my department any officer wanting to carry spray had to take a hit with it as part of our training regime.
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Excellent idea. A class for her didnt cross my mind. I will do a search for such a class in our area. Thanks for your service and help.

Jeff White said:
Same here. The reasoning was we had to learn to fight though it to avoid being disarmed.
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I will pass on getting sprayed...lol. I remember something similar, and it was the gas chamber test back in the Army in 1986 and I got a terrible dose because my mask wasnt sealed properly...lol. Thanks for your service.
 
OC (pepper) spray is not mace. It was introduced in the 1980s as an alternative to CS/CN tear gases, one that is effective on more targets, but has fewer lasting effects and can be more-easily neutralized after exposure. It's certainly become the preferred chemical self-defense agent, but it has potentially-significant drawbacks (as examples, bullets fired from a self-defense pistol can penetrate sunglasses, and aren't blown back into the defender's face by a stiff wind.)

Some companies offer training canisters charged with an inert ingredient; many sell the two together as a package. Some familiarization is paramount, as the spray can affect a surprising amount of area around the user.
 
dog gone it said:
Looking for some high quality, proven to work, mace for my wife to carry in her purse.
Thanks
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Taught the classes in the police academy.
We all got gassed,and when you taught a class = you got more then too.
And when you used it,yea --- you got it then too.
So knowing what it feels like [ IT FREAKIN BURNS ] is a teaching moment as is the drill to know what to do next.
What to do if it worked,and what to do if it did NOT work !.
I still carry at least one means of delivering OC whenever I go out.
ALL "Mace" is now OC [ Oleoresin Capsicum ] in different percentages of gas AND different measurements of Scovill Units [ how hot peppers are measured ].
Without a class,no one is fully aware of the use and DEPLOYMENT of this weapon.
And yes,it is a weapon.
I used up a 'few' cans while on the job for 26 years,some was MUCH more effective than others.
Research it as much as you can,prior to buying or using !
 
Be aware that the cannisters can lose pressure over time. Fox does that. So replace periodically.
 
Based on the recommendation of John Correia at Active Self Protection, I bought several units from POM. One of the things I liked was the availability of a low cost training / practice unit filled with water instead of OC. I also like the design of the unit, with pocket clip that helps orient it for use and the easy flip top cover over the thumb trigger.
I have not found a class, yet, but there are several useful videos on YouTube to prepare to use it.
 
dog gone it said:
Excellent idea. A class for her didnt cross my mind. I will do a search for such a class in our area. Thanks for your service and help.

I will pass on getting sprayed...lol. I remember something similar, and it was the gas chamber test back in the Army in 1986 and I got a terrible dose because my mask wasnt sealed properly...lol. Thanks for your service.
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Navy boot camp 1959, we had to remove the mask for a count, don’t recall the count but it was an ordeal. Newport RI, 1960 firefighting school, hose crew with no mask in a bunker with burning oil. I’d pass on the face full of pepper spray though. :what:
 
An overwhelming amount of useful information. Thanks very much as I now have a better sense of direction to follow for making a decision. I have one vote for a company called POM that I will consider. If anyone else has a specific and effectively known product they can suggest, then please post it or message me if you prefer, as apparently several products are out of stock. Im also trying to decipher between gel, foam, and others...hummm ???
And thanks to those of you, who have served in Law Enforcement and/or the Military.
 
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Most law enforcement up here carries either the Safariland owned Defense Technology "First Defense" 360 1.3 in a Mk 4, or else one of the Sabre LE products. The 1.3 formulation is the best, most effective stuff I've ever been exposed to (never volunteer to be an OC instructor) and provides great results on the streets (and correctional facilities, where it's probably used ever more often).
 
Old Dog said:
You linked to the entire threads; which product did you order?
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Well the first link is what I ordered. The second link is the entire thread. Thanks for making me aware of my mistake.

Kleanbore said:
I carry one.

I have no idea whwther I like it or not.
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Interesting thanks.

Old Dog said:
Most law enforcement up here carries either the Safariland owned Defense Technology "First Defense" 360 1.3 in a Mk 4, or else one of the Sabre LE products. The 1.3 formulation is the best, most effective stuff I've ever been exposed to (never volunteer to be an OC instructor) and provides great results on the streets (and correctional facilities, where it's probably used ever more often).
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Thanks for your suggestion. The guy in the link provided has an extensive amount of knowledge and experience imo. What you suggested is probably a great product in his opinion.
 
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Old Dog said:
Most law enforcement up here carries either the Safariland owned Defense Technology "First Defense" 360 1.3 in a Mk 4. The 1.3 formulation is the best, most effective stuff I've ever been exposed to and provides great results on the streets.
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I have used a fair amount of this on stupid people and angry dogs. Neither cared for the experience and declined second helpings.

:fire: <-- OC recipient 5-seconds after getting painted w/ it.

As a Dallas copper once told me: You can act-up all you want, but when you hear the rip of Velcro on a OC belt holster, they know it is time to straighten-up or grab grief.
 
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Also, keep in mind that, in today's climate, in which face coverings previously unlawful in many jurisdictions are now all but mandated, many offenders may be wearing some pretty creative items that may offer them some partial protection from chemical weapons. An offender wearing an N95 mask and a pair of wrap-around shades may be able to do a bit more damage before feeling OC spray's effects.
 
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