CZ-75, requesting help with different models

ba ba booey said:

I would like to pick up a CZ-75b SAO, for it's superior trigger. They are harder to find due to being discontinued.

The model I want is SKU# 91150, as reviewed here:

https://www.usacarry.com/cz-75b-sa-9mm-review/#:~:text=The durable polycoat on the,little with this 9mm beauty.

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Currently, all I can find in stock is SKU# 91102 as shown here

https://lockedloaded.com/product/cz...-9mm-luger-4.6-161-black-synthetic-grip-black

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My question is this, what are the differences between the two? It looks like the 91102 has a curved instead of flat trigger, but how do they compare in trigger feel? I can't find any good info, and in these wild times I can't get anyone from CZ USA on the phone (or locked and loaded)

Any help is appreciated

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i have this one
https://lockedloaded.com/product/cz...-9mm-luger-4.6-161-black-synthetic-grip-black

and yes, it has a curved trigger, and only one side safety. (not ambidextrous)

i think it's a matter of preference. i like the curved trigger

at least 2 things to note..

1) NEVER DRY FIRE a CZ

2) NEVER pull back the slide (with an empty mag-well) and release it. hold the slide, and release the slide lock and "walk it back to closed"

1) the firing pin locking roll pin will bend, jam and you'll almost never get it out. (a trip to the gunsmith, or sent back to CZ)

2) the slide take down release lever, can and will break.







by the way, i have the CZ 75 B and the CZ 97B, and i love them both. The CZ brand are very good guns, and at my LGS, they are very often sold out as well.

ba ba booey said:

Thank you for the information, I was not aware of that. I assumed they were okay to dry fire, but if not snap caps solve that issue

Do you notice an improved trigger compared to the DA/SA models?

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1) YES... snap caps at all times

2) the CZ triggers are (to me) very good.

Both of my CZs came with 4 or 5 snap caps. I use them all the time.

I have owned a 75b and a 75sa and I have a couple of shadows. I personally don't think out of the box the SA triggers are better then a standard 75 B. Sometimes it's the luck of the draw. But I do like the beavertail and the extended safeties on the SA model better. For just a range gun I would pick the SA model. Also if you think you can work on them there are parts to upgrade CZs and make them really nice. You can also make a 75B single action only if you want.

91102 is not a SA gun, it's the typical DA/SA pistol.

Buy the 91102, remove the disco, install SA only trigger and you now have the 01105

sevt_chevelle said:

91102 is not a SA gun, it's the typical DA/SA pistol.

Buy the 91102, remove the disco, install SA only trigger and you now have the 01105

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Not really because you have a different beaver tail. I like CZ's and have multiples of them, but they all have the upswept tail. The web of my hand can not do the standard CZ tail.

Single action only is 91150

I have owned 5 CZ75's over the last 10 yrs. Three 75B's and two 75BSA's. Some have been fired 10,000 times. I have never ever had a single failure of any kind. Nothing ever broke, not the slide take down release lever, not the firing pin locking roll pin and have probably dried fired them 1000 times. Never walked the slide back. The only part I ever replaced was the recoil spring after about 5000 rds fired. The triggers were all about the same and they all improved with use but none were ever 1911 like. I liked the SA's over the B's because of the flat trigger and the beavertail. They ate every thing I fed them and were all extremely accurate. The mags were just as reliable and I never did a thing to them ever. Incredibly reliable handguns. Used CLP to clean them with a few drops of Hopps oil as lube, that's it. Never had a problem with the finish either. Still looked like the day they were brought after 10yrs.

I've got one of the discontinued 75B-SA's and P01.

Other than being SAO and a flat trigger, the trigger pull is the same in SA mode.



The other ergonomic differences are nice though. Beavertail, safeties and slide are a little different.

You'd have a better trigger by buying a regular 75B and doing the SAO conversion from Cajun

bannockburn said:

Both of my CZs came with 4 or 5 snap caps. I use them all the time.

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lucky you...i got mine online, can't recall where from, but actually quite cheap, both 9 MM and .45 ACP

triplebike said:

I have owned 5 CZ75's over the last 10 yrs. Three 75B's and two 75BSA's. Some have been fired 10,000 times. I have never ever had a single failure of any kind. Nothing ever broke, not the slide take down release lever, not the firing pin locking roll pin and have probably dried fired them 1000 times. Never walked the slide back. The only part I ever replaced was the recoil spring after about 5000 rds fired. The triggers were all about the same and they all improved with use but none were ever 1911 like. I liked the SA's over the B's because of the flat trigger and the beavertail. They ate every thing I fed them and were all extremely accurate. The mags were just as reliable and I never did a thing to them ever. Incredibly reliable handguns. Used CLP to clean them with a few drops of Hopps oil as lube, that's it. Never had a problem with the finish either. Still looked like the day they were brought after 10yrs.

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this may be true, what you say, but i had done some checking, and the video i linked to, says it all about the firing pin, roll pin getting destroyed. it "could be" happening more with the newer generations, over the ones you bought years ago?

in any event, i bought 2 new ones from cajun gun works, (harder steel, but not solid, so it allows "springiness" and those roll pins will fit the 75 B and the 97B, i just have not installed them yet. i can "see" thru the OEM roll pins, and they look fine. but once that roll pin starts to collapse, i'll not be able to see thru it again, and it's time to replace.

when those roll pins break, it is next to impossible to remove them and a trip to a gun shop (or back to CZ) for replacement.

I have a CZ 75B with the CZ Custom F.O. front sight & blind battlesight rear sight, and a CZ Custom race hammer. The CZ 75 B SA is identical to the CZ 75 B in most aspects, except that the SA has a single action only trigger, which is a straight-blade type and is adjustable for overtravel which is a nice feature.

The trigger on my 75B has been worked so that in SA and DA it is smooth rather than super light, and there isn’t much sear camming in the DA trigger. This setup has been working for me at the range, and with several years of practice I can confirm without a doubt it is a great shooter.

The beavertail is the only part on a 75B that cannot be turned into a 75 SAO. The trigger, safety etc.... can all be swapped out and improved with parts from CGW or CS Custom shop. I will caution that unless you have studied the 75B design opening that sear cage often inspires this look from newbies. It is overly complicated. If you are not up to the task CGW can take care of it for you.



Drying firing the CZs can result in damage. A rubber washer protecting the firing pin or snap caps takes care of the issue. The reality is that you will have to do a ton of dry firing to harm the pistol but snap caps or washers are cheap so why not use them. I used 124gr blue bullets and silicone to make my own snap caps. I don't use blue bullets for any other loading so I know that they are not live rounds.

Slide stops break on every high round could guns. It is a known issue but will not happen to 95%+ of CZ owners. If you shoot your CZ enough to break a slide stop you can afford to buy a new slide stop. You are talking 10,000 + rounds. LOL High round count competition shooters often say they keep one in their competition range bag so they can replace it during a match if it breaks.

I just wish they would get busy and design a SAO setup for the Omega.

I got the CZ75B Omega, because it has the same beavertail as the 75B SAO and when I held the 75B and 75B Omega side by side in the store, the Omega trigger was noticeably better. But I would prefer SAO so that the manual of arms would match my 1911s and BHPs

CGW has an upgrade kit for the 75B Omega, but most reports are that it only helps the DA pull and the SA pull is pretty much unchanged.

Tagging this so I can return and watch the video in post #2.

SSN Vet said:

But I would prefer SAO so that the manual of arms would match my 1911s and BHPs

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You could always just use the safety and run it cocked and locked and treat it like a SAO with double strike capability. I tried that with a P07 but found I struggled with the safety on it, too slim and too stiff.

gotboostvr said:

You could always just use the safety and run it cocked and locked and treat it like a SAO with double strike capability. I tried that with a P07 but found I struggled with the safety on it, too slim and too stiff.

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This is how I run 3 CZs. A 75B. Shadow 2 and an all Steel P01.

buddyd157 said:

1) the firing pin locking roll pin will bend, jam and you'll almost never get it out. (a trip to the gunsmith, or sent back to CZ)

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That is why I switched to Tanfoglio! My CZ75B was purchased used, first trip to the range, no bang, then I realized the firing pin broke. Must be the previous owner did a lot of dry fire and broke the firing pin tip. I was able to remove the roll pin and replaced the firing pin. It was a single roll pin but it was straight when removed. CZ sent me the newer double roll pins and the inside one was hard to install! I didn't have a roll pin punch and used a regular punch, it slipped and scratched the slide. The firing pin was of a different cut as well (It is an earlier CZ75B Military), I sent them back to CZ and they sent me the correct firing pin and a new set of double roll pins. At the time, CZ had Life-Time Warranty. Now they have Limited Warranty but I have to wonder if thy still honor old guns with the Life Time Warranty!I had a pre B that does not have the roll pin, like it much better and switched to Tanfoglio which is based on Pre-B! I didn't keep the Pre-B because mags were getting hard to find.
I think there is aftermarket single solid pin in the market. I will try that if next time I need to take it apart. How many round count need to clean the firing pin channel?

EDIT: I'm off topic. Apologize and please ignore my posting.

After reading this thread, I knocked the roll pin out of my PCR, My roll pin has a steel insert inside it, making it really substantial. I guess they realized the problem and fixed it. My PCR is not a new one, it's about 15 years old.

gotboostvr said:

You could always just use the safety and run it cocked and locked and treat it like a SAO with double strike capability. I tried that with a P07 but found I struggled with the safety on it, too slim and too stiff.

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I have the same issue (as I think do most). That being the safety on the 75 has very poor ergonomics. And because mine is an Omega, swapping in a SAO safety isn't an option. I really wish CGW or CZ Custom would start offering more Omega upgrades... like an improved safety lever.