Finally! A warranty repair report for my Charter Professional

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AZAndy

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Finally got my Charter Arms Professional in .32H&R back, and tested it this morning.

First, here's the timeline for all the little events:
05/02/20 Ordered it from Davidson's
05/07 Took delivery at local shop and paid remaining balance
05/08 Took revolver out for a test drive, discovered that it was shooting 6" low and 2" right at 10 yards. Wrote an email to Charter asking if I could send it in for warranty repair. Got a response very quickly saying a box would be sent. (This was a Friday.)
05/11 Received box for pre-paid return. (Monday.)
05/12 Sent package to Charter.
05/27 Didn't hear anything from them for a couple of weeks, so I sent an email to make sure they'd gotten it. Got a response the next day saying it had arrived on the 14th.
08/17 Got an email saying that yes, it was indeed shooting low, and that they'd replaced the barrel and it was still shooting low, and that they thought maybe they'd gotten an inferior batch of barrels.
08/19 Another email, saying they were still working on it and were getting a new vise to help with the repair. (?!)
09/03 Email says new vise has been mounted and that further work will now commence.
09/21 Email saying that repairs were complete and gun would be shipped.
09/22 Package received!
09/23 Test firing done this morning. Here's the result:
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Well, it ain't six inches anymore, so that's good, right? This is 11 rounds of commercial Federal ammo fired single action, seated, from a rest, at 10 yards. Group size is 3 3/4", and that little cluster there is 2 1/2" low and 2" to the right. That green circle is 2" diameter, if that helps your perspective.

The gun arrived with a test target, which looks like this:
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That recommended sight picture seems odd to me. Yeah, I guess if I could learn to not have the front sight level with the rear, I wouldn't have had to have it fixed in the first place, right?

And here's the technician's report:
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I notice there's no mention of the shooting-to-the-right issue, but so it goes.

I don't fault the company for taking so long with this, as I know parts were hard to get what with the pandemic situation, but I am a little disappointed with the outcome. When I got the email saying that the new barrel didn't help any, I mentioned that I'd be okay with a regular blade sight on there as I could then file it to suit, but didn't get a response to that suggestion. That makes me suspect the barrels come to them with this silly sight already there.

I guess I could pad the right side of the notch on the rear sight some way to take care of the to-the-right problem, as it's wide enough. And the rear of the optical fiber is slightly conical, so making the top level with the sight would get it a teensy bit closer. Beyond that, I'm out of ideas-- I don't think I want to invest in it enough to stake a new front sight (or adjustable rear) on it. If it grouped tighter, I might have considered one of those fixes.

On the plus side, my CA Pink Lady (also .32H&R) shoots much better than this! (Though it did need a bit of filing on the front sight).
 
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I’m surprised at how poorly the “professional” is being recieved, and how dismal the performance seems to be. I have an old Undercover that I like well enough to consider other Charter products, but it seems the ones I am interested in are the ones with issues. I have worked my action well enough now that I want to make my gun more useful by rebarreling it, and since I can’t find a longer Charter barrel I’m considering other options. If the Professional guns were performing better I would just go get one and trade in my Undercover, but not with reports like yours being plentiful.
 
I’m surprised at how poorly the “professional” is being recieved, and how dismal the performance seems to be. I have an old Undercover that I like well enough to consider other Charter products, but it seems the ones I am interested in are the ones with issues. I have worked my action well enough now that I want to make my gun more useful by rebarreling it, and since I can’t find a longer Charter barrel I’m considering other options. If the Professional guns were performing better I would just go get one and trade in my Undercover, but not with reports like yours being plentiful.
I like my 5-shot .32 enough that I have the 6-shot one on order, so maybe that's an option to consider.
 
i had a charter undercover before that even had crimson trace grips .it shot about 2 feet low at 10 yrds from what i remember.( with the iron sights not the laser) i ended up filing the front sight about half the height to make it shoot at POA. at least no windage correction was needed. i then adusted the laser afterwards. i was able to shoot my 10 inch gongs at 25 yrds with it. the crimson trace grips helped with dry fire DA practice shooting at light switches and doorknobs. i remember one range trip after "fixing" the sight that i was able to hit my 6 inch gong at 25 yrds 2/5 shots double action offhand and my wife says "oh only 2 for 5". hmmph no appreciation for fine shooting, ha ha. it did look quite ugly afterwards but was more functional and had a normal sight picture.

i eventually traded it in when i bought a smith 586
 
The issue is a known issue and has been a known issue for over a year. The .32 Professional's shoot low because the front sight is too high. The front sight is too high because the too rib of the barrel is oversize and sticks above the frame, thus when the front sight is installed it sits too high and makes the gun shoot low.

This could all be fixed if the front sight was at the proper height.

Charter's refused to fix the issue because it likely involves retooling and that's costly, so instead they just kick the can and hope the customer is happy with a gun that shoots "close enough" to the POA and if it doesn't... well, it's an issue with ammo or the customer is a terrible shot.

You could buy a Ruger .327 LCR and shoot .32 Mag from it and get much, MUCH better results.

But you know what? If the proper sight picture is to align the center of the optic with the top of the rear sight, I'll try that with a 100 and a 115 grain bullet and see just where I have to hold the sights to hit the POA
 
I milled my barrel down to fix the problem when Charter Arms wouldn't.

AZAndy, I would really like to see a couple good pictures of the barrel from the frame joint and the front sight.
 
I milled my barrel down to fix the problem when Charter Arms wouldn't.

AZAndy, I would really like to see a couple good pictures of the barrel from the frame joint and the front sight.
Here you are:
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I don't remember how high the barrel rib looked in the mount to the frame before. The sight mount area does look flatter to me than before.
By the way, the pitted look in front of the ejector rod, and inside the cutout for the rod, really do look like that; it's not dust. Where the top rib meets the barrel also.
 
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For something labeled as a "Professional", I'd have to say the fit, finish, frame to barrel alignment and customer service doesn't come close in my mind to anything near approaching "Professional". I'd send your target back to them with the shooting specs you indicated and tell them so.
 
That gun is not "professional" grade and I fear neither is Charter. Sad but par for the course these days. Even the major handgun makers use their customers for final QC inspection.

Dave
 
If I were trying to correct what problems you are having the first thing I would do is get rid of the fiber optic sight. To me they are too big and globby for a good sight picture. Especially the way they have the recommended sight picture drawn on the target. I'm not sure how the front sight is attached. I can't tell from the pictures. But even the sight is cast in the barrel I would file or grind it off.

Matter of fact that for me would be the ideal situation. Then I could remove the sight and cut a dovetail in the rib and install a blade front sight that could be filed for elevation and drifted for windage.

And when shooting make sure you are pulling the trigger straight back. Its common to pull or push the gun to the left or right when shooting double action. I am bad about pulling to the right and have to be aware of that when I shoot otherwise I will have groups to the right of the target. Just a thought.
 
I have been seeing a lot of posts concerning the Professional. Everything that I have read so far indicates bad regulation on poa/poi.
I really want this gun. But not until the factory corrects the issue. Maybe Ruger will come out with a 3" LCRx 327.
 
I won’t even bother sending mine in again. It’s been back twice, no need to waste anyone’s time if this is still how they are fixing them. It’s a shame because I really like the gun. Maybe I’ll trade it towards something.
 
You said you bought the gun from Davidson’s. Doesn’t Davidson’s have their own warranty where they will replace the gun?
 
Its a real shame the Professional is such a dud. I loved everything about the gun. Fan of the company, the philosophy of what it was for, the cartridge, etc. My .45 acp Pitbull may be one of my top 5 favorite guns in my collection.

I hope they can eventually correct this.
 
I won’t even bother sending mine in again. It’s been back twice, no need to waste anyone’s time if this is still how they are fixing them. It’s a shame because I really like the gun. Maybe I’ll trade it towards something.
When people are buying these on gunbroker for $500, I plan to sell mine soon.
 
Wow, you are either a lousy shot or Charter did a lousy job of building that gun. I have a Taurus M731 Total Titanium 2" 6 shot .32 H&R that makes that Charter look like a smooth bore with a bent barrel for accuracy. Fit and finish on my Taurus is also much better. I will keep what I have, would not trade it for a pair of those Charters made like that.
 
Wow, you are either a lousy shot or Charter did a lousy job of building that gun. I have a Taurus M731 Total Titanium 2" 6 shot .32 H&R that makes that Charter look like a smooth bore with a bent barrel for accuracy. Fit and finish on my Taurus is also much better. I will keep what I have, would not trade it for a pair of those Charters made like that.
I think you'll find the post after I discovered a fix to be less horrendous. ;)
 
I think you'll find the post after I discovered a fix to be less horrendous. ;)
That would be good news indeed. I didn't mean my post to ruffle any feathers. My issue was really directed at Charter Arms who I have in the past recognized as a fairly decent company. I am a bit shocked at the Professional in two ways. One is the lack of accuracy. I have a number of old 1903 S&W guns that even with some bore pitting shoot better than the posted targets indicate for the Professional. Secondly I have seen a number of these guns where the barrel and frame show what I consider poor matching fit. I hope Charter can address the issues and in the future do a better job making this gun. As a side note I have for some time considered revolvers chambered in .32 caliber to be somewhat inherently accurate.
 
As a side note I have for some time considered revolvers chambered in .32 caliber to be somewhat inherently accurate.
That's what my experience has been too, despite all the stuff I've read about .32 Long being a great cartridge for accuracy. I have three S&W .32 Long revolvers and can't get better than about 2.5" groups at ten yards with them, maybe 2.25" on a lucky day, regardless of load and projectile. .38 Special, .357, and .45ACP (revolver or 1911) do better than that for me.

As the target in the follow-up post shows, the Charter is a lot less terrible now, with 6 out of 7 within 2", and the one that isn't inside that group was a failure on my part, not the gun's. It's not good enough for Bullseye competition, but all I wanted from it was to be a self-defense carry option, and it's good enough for that. That said, I surely don't recommend anybody buy one of these until they start putting blade sights on them so they can be filed to suit. (Or an adjustable rear, which would be really cool, but I doubt they'll go to that expense.) It really is a shame, because the Professional struck me as a great idea for Charter, and I like it when anybody does something that helps keep the underappreciated H&R cartridge alive.
 
Well after following the thread and giving it a lot of thought, went to the LGS and cancelled my order for a Professional. I had wanted a companion for the Undercoverette. But instead, the 327 LCR will get the companion, ordered an 3" SP-101 327FM.

It's too bad, I actually like the way Charters fit my hand. They feel just a bit better in hand than the LCR and SP-101. But the Ruger is a safer bet for me at this point.
 
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