Remington does it again... Bankruptcy No 2.

I would love to see Marlin get out from under Remington. Ruger would at least make sure the rifles were produced in substantial numbers and might even get the price down a bit. Marlin doesn't seem to be getting anywhere under the current ownership.

If they were bought by Ruger, what would the new nickname be? I have heard Rem-lin in the past. Ru-lin does sound right. I don't know if Mar-ger does either. RuMarlin and Marlinger sound like completely different name.

Ruglin works.

MechAg94 said:

I would love to see Marlin get out from under Remington. Ruger would at least make sure the rifles were produced in substantial numbers and might even get the price down a bit. Marlin doesn't seem to be getting anywhere under the current ownership.

If they were bought by Ruger, what would the new nickname be? I have heard Rem-lin in the past. Ru-lin does sound right. I don't know if Mar-ger does either. RuMarlin and Marlinger sound like completely different name.

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How about drop the silly and insulting names and use Marlin. After the transition period, the rifles produced by Remington owned Marlin were fine.

Ruger might be a fine owner but if they move the company again there will be yet another transition period.

From all the reports I heard, the Remington-Marlin guns were far from fine. I heard about quite a few QA/QC issues, but I never owned a newer model. I am sure it wasn't ALL the rifles. It never is. Remington had similar problems with other guns they made. I have heard the recent guns are pretty good, but I rarely see them and the cost has gone up. At one time, Rossi and Marlin were the common guns to see in stores. In the last 10 years, it is mostly Henry. It will be interesting to see what another owner can do with the brand.

I happen to own two Marlins from Remington ownership and of the dozens of Marlins I have owned and of the several I still own the two REP Marlins are among the best I have owned, function and accuracy. The wood quality has suffered but this is not unique to Marlin. So, I am telling you different from what you have heard as an actual owner of Marlin rifles, JM and REP.

Henry and the tube loading and clunky look I will pass on along with their fake history. Lever guns will never be inexpensive whoever owns Marlin if anyone. To many parts and assembly work and two piece stocks, bands and clamps. The reason Marlin was limping along with antique worn out machinery and was purchased by Remington and a shift to CNC processes is they were unprofitable and selling below sustaining costs.

So would the Model 60 stay in the line-up, or would it be like Chrysler killing the full-size Jeep trucks when they bought AMC to avoid competition with the Dodge Rams?

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So would the Model 60 stay in the line-up, or would it be like Chrysler killing the full-size Jeep trucks when they bought AMC to avoid competition with the Dodge Rams?

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Maybe who knows . Maybe will We find out next Tuesday

Marlin doesn't really exist. They are not a separate operation. Marlin firearms are made in the same factories as all other Remington owned brands. All you would be buying is the name and logo.

Ruger buying Marlin would make some sense. But Marlin rifles use forged receivers. Ruger made it's name with cast parts. I wonder if Ruger would still forge the receivers?

Marlins have a special place with me . My model 25 is the first Rifle I learned how to shoot

In case you haven’t seen this elsewhere:


• Vista Outdoor, Inc. as the Successful Bidder pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit A with respect to the Lonoke Ammunitions Business and certain IP assets; and SIG Sauer, Inc. as the Backup Bidder thereto pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit B with respect to the Lonoke Ammunitions Business;

• Roundhill Group, LLC as the Successful Bidder pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit C with respect to the non-Marlin Firearms Business; and Huntsman Holdings, LLC and Century Arms, Inc. as the Backup Bidders thereto pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit D with respect to certain Firearms Business IP assets and Exhibit E with respect to certain non-Marlin Firearms Business inventory, respectively;

• Sierra Bullets, L.L.C. as the Successful Bidder pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit F with respect to the Barnes Ammunitions Business; and Barnes Acquisition LLC as the Backup Bidder thereto pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit G with respect to the Barnes Ammunitions Business;

• Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. as the Successful Bidder pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit H with respect to the Marlin Firearms Business; and Long Range Acquisition LLC as the Backup Bidder thereto pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit I with respect to the Marlin Firearms Business;

• JJE Capital Holdings, LLC as the Successful Bidder with respect to the DPMS, H&R, Stormlake, AAC, and Parker brands;

• Franklin Armory Holdings, Inc., or its designated assignee, as the Successful Bidder with respect to the Bushmaster brand and certain related assets; and

• Sportsman’s Warehouse, Inc. as the Successful Bidder with respect to the Tapco brand.

The hearing to approve the winning bids will take place on Tuesday, September 29. Watch this space.

Fascinating. So JJE/PSA isn't taking over the world like some thought. All they ended up with is the brand name for DPMS, H&R, and AAC.

Does Vista also get the Utah facility?

Well, we have seen Sierra and other bullet makers have their products end up in other brands ammo; we have seen where a few makers of AR lowers makes them for a huge number of companies and just puts whatever name on them is desired. In today's world, crossover seems to be the norm. You are right about Ilion; what a real estate company would want with that, unless they intend to then sell off the machinery and IP properties and then shut things down for good. Otherwise, they will most likely operate it like Cerebus/Freedom did and swap out financials and run away.

Wonder if Bushmaster will rise again?

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Wonder if Bushmaster will rise again?

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Someone spent good money to buy it so it's a good bet that they will at least try. The brand has good name recognition in the firearms community. That makes it worth something.

My guess is that Ruger well probably end up taking the intellectual property and machines that make the Marlin rifles and move it to one of their plants along with whatever engineers might be left that they find useful. Most of the Marlin stuff hasn't really changed a whole lot in a while so there may not be a whole lot of movement of engineers to Ruger facilities.

I don't know what PSA thinks they can do with some of the names they bought. it's not like h&r is a household name but in the firearms community there are still a lot of people that remember it and remember some of the nifty firearms they made. DPMS is probably something they can just stamp on their existing PSA rifles.

Sometimes you can be successful at fixing a bankrupt company. The guys that run charter arms now seem to have done a pretty fair job of it.

It might be that the real estate is worth more as land or something else than as a firearms manufacturing facility. If so you might see some of what is now manufactured there sold off in separate transactions.

I'm glad the name will maybe survive...let's hope the workers in Ilion will keep their jobs. hopefully new various owners will improve the quality.

Wow, Vista Outdoors will be making a good amount of the name brand ammunition in the US.

Marlin fills Ruger's lever action niche. Really the only firearms they didn't make. Model 96 doesn't count, I don't know what they were thinking with that thing.

JJE Capital/PSA has the support of the South Carolina politicians and is likely as much of a cash cow as a gun business can be. They grabbed some second tier IP and will use their capital and know how with the new IP to expand.

Let's just hope the Model 700 continues. I hope as many employees as possible retain their jobs. Now's not the time to job hunt.