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Kevin Rohrer said:
I have used a fair amount of this on both people and angry dogs. Neither cared for the experience and declined second helpings.

:fire: <-- OC recipient 5-seconds after getting painted w/ it.

As a Dallas copper once told me: You can act-up all you want, but when you hear the rip of Velcro on a OC belt holster, it is time to straighten-up or grab grief.
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I hear you loud and clear. Thanks

MedWheeler said:
Also, keep in mind that, in today's climate, in which face coverings previously unlawful in many jurisdictions are now all but mandated, many offenders may be wearing some pretty creative items that may offer them some partial protection from chemical weapons. An offender wearing an N95 mask and a pair of wrap-around shades may be able to do a bit more damage before feeling OC spray's effects.
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Really great point. I will definitely convey this to my wife. She has a firearm but she cant take in where she works and sometimes its dark outside when she exits the building on her way back to her vehicle. The lot where she parks is well lighted, its not a far distance, and there is generally others with her as she leaves, but you never know who might be lurking in between the vehicles, etc...and I want her to have some kind of protection until she gets in her car, just in case. Thanks

Jeff White said:
After we used OC on the street a few times the “regular customers” would often stop resisting when your hand moved to the pouch.
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Sounds like they wised up. Good to know this stuff works. Thanks
 
A few additionals...

for the ladies, particularly to and from their vehicle... in an area that feels unsafe your hand in your purse holding the spray works pretty well - particularly in today's world where more and more ladies are holding a firearm with that "hand in the purse" routine... Discouraging wannabes is good practice in my opinion. The fight that never happens is much better than the one that does...

Secondly at close quarters... aim for the eyes of your opponent (and don't be like us "old school" types, and hesitant to act against a female opponent.... In today's world I can almost guarantee that there are many female type bad 'uns that will cheerfully do you injury if you're hesitant to act... And for me personally, the few times I was injured on the street - it was always a "lady" doing the damage (fortunately only minor injuries for this guy...). Long out of "street life" , just watching some of what passes for news on the tube these days was an instant reminder for me...

Lastly many aren't aware that "tear gas" isn't a gas at all - it's a fine powder... All the way back in 1970 while stationed in the Washington D. C. area I was able to work evenings and found a job as a security guard working for a big guard outfit (strictly un-armed except for that less than satisfactory wooden club we had to carry). At any rate, one weekend I was assigned to the Emergency room of a big urban hospital - the same weekend that one of the biggest anti-war protests (it was called the May Day Mobe if I remember correctly...). My job that day? I had to hose down any demonstrator needing medical attention before they were allowed into the ER. The chemical powder on their clothing from those clouds of "teargas" would be a problem for ER personnel otherwise... Who knew?
 
lemaymiami said:
A few additionals...

for the ladies, particularly to and from their vehicle... in an area that feels unsafe your hand in your purse holding the spray works pretty well - particularly in today's world where more and more ladies are holding a firearm with that "hand in the purse" routine... Discouraging wannabes is good practice in my opinion. The fight that never happens is much better than the one that does...

Secondly at close quarters... aim for the eyes of your opponent (and don't be like us "old school" types, and hesitant to act against a female opponent.... In today's world I can almost guarantee that there are many female type bad 'uns that will cheerfully do you injury if you're hesitant to act... And for me personally, the few times I was injured on the street - it was always a "lady" doing the damage (fortunately only minor injuries for this guy...). Long out of "street life" , just watching some of what passes for news on the tube these days was an instant reminder for me...

Lastly many aren't aware that "tear gas" isn't a gas at all - it's a fine powder... All the way back in 1970 while stationed in the Washington D. C. area I was able to work evenings and found a job as a security guard working for a big guard outfit (strictly un-armed except for that less than satisfactory wooden club we had to carry). At any rate, one weekend I was assigned to the Emergency room of a big urban hospital - the same weekend that one of the biggest anti-war protests (it was called the May Day Mobe if I remember correctly...). My job that day? I had to hose down any demonstrator needing medical attention before they were allowed into the ER. The chemical powder on their clothing from those clouds of "teargas" would be a problem for ER personnel otherwise... Who knew?
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Some great advice. Thanks for taking the time.
 
And splurge on a training can with an inert substance in it and practice. The first operational use of OC in our department resulted in the officer spraying himself as well as the bad guy. The funny thing, that officer was the instructor who taught the rest of us. He was teased unmercifully for a long time and I wish I had a photo of the cartoon our resident cartoonist drew on the chalkboard in the break room/classroom after that. No digital photography in those days.
 
Jeff White said:
And splurge on a training can with an inert substance in it and practice. The first operational use of OC in our department resulted in the officer spraying himself as well as the bad guy. The funny thing, that officer was the instructor who taught the rest of us. He was teased unmercifully for a long time and I wish I had a photo of the cartoon our resident cartoonist drew on the chalkboard in the break room/classroom after that. No digital photography in those days.
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Thats a funny story, but with great experience learned the hard way. Thanks
 
Of the 4 "live hit" spray certifications I have had, Freeze +p was the worst. When I changed departments, I wasn't permitted to use Freeze indoors because it was "too strong" to be used in confined spaces and corrections. I was certified and carried a much weaker (in my opinion and experience) spray that I never used.
 
We had C2 thrown on/at us in 1963, and if pepper spray is worse than that stuff, I want no part of it. The big ole guys that always tried to be the tough guy, ran first and were tackled by the drill Sargents as they went by.

Have a blessed day,

Leon
 
I had an occasion to use Fox Labs pepper spray years ago during an attempted car jacking. I drove away and left a guy rolling in the street but the back blast overspray disabled me within 3 blocks.
2 weeks ago I was trying to change the cabin air filter on my wife’s car. When I was trying to remove the glove box to access I found an oily residue on a bolt i needed to remove. Working under the dash and getting sweaty I swiped my forehead.
Yep. Found out a canister had leaked in the glove box. Forehead on fire.
Buy a couple more than you need and actually try them out and see how they work. And toss them and replace regularly.
 
mace is the general term a lot of people use, like zerox, chlorox, kleenex, so I won't bemoan the blather as others have.

sabre red is a good brand. yes, spelled sabre but said saber for those that bemoan the blather. fox is another good brand.
be forewarned that the use of pepper spray usually means the person deploying it gets some too, just the way it is. while not a direct shot to the face, the wind is usually not in your favor nor will you have time to check its direction anyway.

the name of the game is spray and run not spray and stay.
 
Pattern is a relevant when discussing OC spray and which pattern depends upon intended use. Read the stick conversation and heed the advice to practice.
 
Kingcreek said:
Buy a couple more than you need and actually try them out and see how they work.
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One of the selling points of POM sprays is that they sell an inert practice model for training. I bought one with a handful of full OC models.
 
I was confused when "Pepper Spray" that is OC spray came out. Most of my experience with chemicals had been with military riot gasses. My home town police department in Jogh School trained with and used on the streets a time or two CN a form of "tear gas" it was nasty but generally took a bit ( seconds but a bit) to start working and then was rough. It stuck to one's gear and Somewhere I have one of the masks they used that still has a faint smell of the stuff from around 1970!

Once in the service I was exposed to this again and to CS. The CS started immediatly and hurt mucus areas right away and was what they used in the Chamber training....Name, Rank, service number, place of BU -BU- BU LEMEEEOUTAHUR....

My first run in with CSII that is CS "TWO" which is a water soluable form was on a hot August day in Louisiana. Earlier in the day we had been cooled off with water filled flame throwers. Imagine our shock when the same devices fired CSII laced water at us after an attack on a simulated Soviet Defensive Position that included an up hill attack, body surfing concerntina wire, and such all in 98/98 weather that F and % Humidity. Some guys thought they had turned actual fuel loaded flame throwers on us and it sort of felt that way. The worst was the guys that got some splashed on the face as it was then inside the mask with them once they masked.

One of the riot tricks which we experienced was to throw both CS and CN canister together. The CS made you gasp immediatly and suck down plenty of CN,

But as I said I was confused by the term Pepper Spray.

We had a riot agent called DM which had the nick name Pepper Gas because on the fringes it smelled, well peppery. Inside a good cloud you did not notice anything but its other nick name "Puke Gas" it made one throw up involontarily and repeatedly, even after there was nothing to throw up. Again mixing it with CS canisters made one gasp and things got worse. This one was awful because masking might result in downing in your own vomit.

So when folks started talking about "Pepper Spray" I was concerned they meant DM.

BTW in Europe in the mid 1970's there were Capsicum based defensive sprays available. They worked great and better than CN (orignal Mace) or later CS personal sprays. That based on actual use by the way. I was told there was even a CS/ Capsicum mix available but thankfully never experienced it. The German Police I worked with much preffered contact weapons and pain control over any chemicals at that time.

-kBob
 
Buy a few different brands. Spray some on a piece of gause and rub it under your eye. Find the one that burns the worst. Or read the sticky about pepper spray. I read the whole thing. I bought three cans of UDAP. One for me, sister, and wife.
 
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