Remington dismantlement described

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I haven’t seen this linked here yet, and others may find it as intriguing as I. Here’s the list of Remington brands and their respective successful bidders, and back-up bidders, pending confirmation and acceptance by the courts in the coming week(s):


  • Vista Outdoor, Inc. as the Successful Bidder pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit A with respect to the Lonoke Ammunitions Business and certain IP assets; and SIG Sauer, Inc. as the Backup Bidder thereto pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit B with respect to the Lonoke Ammunitions Business;
  • Roundhill Group, LLC as the Successful Bidder pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit C with respect to the non-Marlin Firearms Business; and Huntsman Holdings, LLC and Century Arms, Inc. as the Backup Bidders thereto pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit D with respect to certain Firearms Business IP assets and Exhibit E with respect to certain non-Marlin Firearms Business inventory, respectively;
  • Sierra Bullets, L.L.C. as the Successful Bidder pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit F with respect to the Barnes Ammunitions Business; and Barnes Acquisition LLC as the Backup Bidder thereto pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit G with respect to the Barnes Ammunitions Business;
  • Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. as the Successful Bidder pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit H with respect to the Marlin Firearms Business; and Long Range Acquisition LLC as the Backup Bidder thereto pursuant to the terms of the Asset Purchase Agreement attached hereto as Exhibit I with respect to the Marlin Firearms Business;
  • JJE Capital Holdings, LLC as the Successful Bidder with respect to the DPMS, H&R, Stormlake, AAC, and Parker brands;
  • Franklin Armory Holdings, Inc., or its designated assignee, as the Successful Bidder with respect to the Bushmaster brand and certain related assets; and
  • Sportsman’s Warehouse, Inc. as the Successful Bidder with respect to the Tapco brand.

I’m intrigued by the idea of a Ruger built Marlin 1894 with a threaded barrel. I’m disappointed to think that PSA/JJE and Franklin just expanded their production capacity, and don’t expect they’ll carry on the Bushmaster or DPMS names - and really interested to understand the opportunity for PSA/JJE with the H&R brand (surprisingly fractured from the Marlin business)...

BUT... More than anything...

I’m disappointed that the Remington 700 and 870 business appears to have gone to a real-estate investment group. Maybe they’ll continue operations, maybe not, but nobody expects this real-estate business to manage the company any better than the past 2 capital management owners.
 
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Ruger building Marlin lever guns. You have my attention.

Wonder how much Ruger is going to keep business-as-usual going there, and how much they're going to shake things up. I don't see lever actions as much of a volume or a potential growth market, but Ruger's instincts for the consumer market have usually been correct lately.
 
Is that saying that Sierra is bidding on Barnes and the secondary bidder is Barnes trying to buy itself and become independent?
 
I’m disappointed that the Remington 700 and 870 business appears to have gone to a real-estate investment group.

Well, I'm not sure that it has gone to a real estate investment group regardless of what the article said. That company is actually called, "Round Hill Capital, LLC", not "Roundhill Group, LLC"

I think the wrong company is currently being linked to in all of the articles that I've seen and we will find out in a day or two who the actual folks are who are behind Roundhill Group.

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I can find listings for two companies named "Roundhill Group, LLC" The first was formed in Nevada back in 2002 and has long since been declared inactive. The second was formed in Delaware in August of 2019. I'm guessing that it will be this second company that bid on the assets. I don't think that real estate company is at all involved with this.
 
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From a brand and product offering the Ruger/Marlin marriage seems like a good combination. That said, I am not sure what Ruger is actually going to get by buying Marlin? It's not like any of Marlin's major designs are still protected by IP. Anyone that wanted to could reverse engineer an 1894 and start making it with very little issue from IP related laws. There is very little new IP in Marlin's portfolio. The last Marlin engineer left the company over five years ago when Remington moved R&D to Huntsville and the last Remlin engineer left earlier this year along with about 80% of the rest of the engineering staff. Hope the name is worth the price cause I don't see that they are getting much more than the name in reality.
 
The Lonoke Ammunitions Business is Remington Ammunition? As in the green & yellow box Remington Ammunition?
 
I’m disappointed to think that PSA/JJE and Franklin just expanded their production capacity, and don’t expect they’ll carry on the Bushmaster or DPMS names

They may or may not. I'd like to see if they can resume production of the ACR. Honestly PSA seems to be doing great and I expect that if they brought the ACR to market they could do so a lot cheaper than Remington did.

and really interested to understand the opportunity for PSA/JJE with the H&R brand (surprisingly fractured from the Marlin business)...

I dunno. My first gun was an NEF (H&R) and I also own one of their .30-30 Handi-Rifles. They're good guns but over the years they kept creeping up in price, whilst companies kept figuring out how to make bolt actions cheaper and cheaper. I don't think there's a big market for break-action single-shot rifles when a bolt action repeater can be had for LESS money now. I mean if that could figure out how to make them and sell them profitably for $150 or so then maybe, but I just don't see that as happening.

I’m disappointed that the Remington 700 and 870 business appears to have gone to a real-estate investment group. Maybe they’ll continue operations, maybe not, but nobody expects this real-estate business to manage the company any better than the past 2 capital management owners.

They might not manage it any better, but they certainly didn't pay money specifically for the firearms operations to just let it die. They'll try it, and if it works then great. If not they'll sell it off to someone else. They could just be business savy people interested in expanding into a new industry. After all until the 1980's Gaston Glock only had experience with polymers and hadn't done anything with guns yet . . .
 
Is that saying that Sierra is bidding on Barnes and the secondary bidder is Barnes trying to buy itself and become independent?

It could just be a really weird coincedence and this is the company being referred to:
http://www.barnesgroupinc.com/

If that is indeed the case they're another holdings company that happens to have the name Barnes but appears unrelated to the Barnes Bullets.

Of course depending on how much the Barnes Bullet brand is really worth they may have just been looking to buy it and bury it to eliminate brand confusion.
 
Not sure that Vista's purchase of the ammo side of things is really desirable. Remington/UMC line-up had some pretty unique products, and what don't need is just another nameplate in the Federal/Blazer/AE/Independence/Speer/Lawman product group (same loads made on the same machines with different headstamp dies and box printing).

You might want to sequester your supply of Golden Sabers, .45-70 405 gr JSPs, and Core-Lokts...
 
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It is not unusual for people who want to buy a company to form a company for the specific purpose of buying the company. I would guess what these LLCs are is an acquisition company.
 
It hadn’t occurred to me at first, since my mind immediately envisioned Ruger quality Marlin leverguns, but if this bid is upheld, Ruger will own the Marlin 60...........

So... will they kill the most successful, highest selling civilian firearm ever produced, or will they simply monopolize the market owning what I’d expect to be over 90% of semi-auto 22LR rifle sales?
 
Not sure that Vista's purchase of the ammo side of things is really desirable. Remington/UMC line-up had some pretty unique products, and what don't need is just another nameplate in the Federal/Blazer/AE/Independence/Speed/Lawman product group (same loads made on the same machines with different headstamp dies and box printing).

You might want to sequester your supply of Golden Sabers, .45-70 405 gr JSPs, and Core-Lokts...
I suspect Remington will be just another name, but Arkansas plants will remain in operation.
 
It's not clear what's being divided up. Is it just the trademarks, or does it include the actual production capacity as well (the tooling and physical plant)?
 
It's not clear what's being divided up. Is it just the trademarks, or does it include the actual production capacity as well (the tooling and physical plant)?

The list provided above calls out assets, IP, and overall business inclusions in the bids.
 
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