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Mr. Mosin

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Musing over something, and a question occurred to me. Irrelevant of what party goes into office this year; a decade from now, do you think the broad iconic platforms of the firearm world to still be available, or even as popular, depending on gun law ?

AR-15, various polymer wonder nines, etc. I know certain genuine icons will probably never totally leave the scene- the 1911 Government, the S&W Mdl 10, 19, 29, the Beretta 92, Glock, etc.

I do believe gun culture is changing, irregardless of whatever idiotic laws are to be passed. Would we simply revert to "old school cool", something like a lever rifle in .30-30 or .357 Mag (or whatever), or would we "stick to our guns" with ten rounds of XXXX semi-auto firepower ? Much the same in regards to handguns... A S&W 686 or 19 in place of a 10rd XXX wonder nine ? I know I personally would prefer a 6/7 shot medium framed .357 Magnum over a 10 round pinned Glock 19, though that's me.

Yes, I do know mags could well be stockpiled, but if you use em ... they eventually wear out. Like it or not, change will eventually be forced upon us, if the country survives long enough. Perhaps not this year. Perhaps not this coming year. But it is inevitable. I suppose my ultimate question is... would we keep our current status quo if it was limited, with the old school becoming ever more obsolete, or will we return to the older designs ?
 
Granting your thesis...

Guns are durable goods, magazines are wear items. I see a lot of plugged magazines for a good while.

In the new pistol market AWB 94 showed that capacity limits promote things like compact 9mms and standard .45s.

Although the Internet Wisdom is for "simple" revolvers for the novice or nonenthusiast, management of the double action revolver beyond administrative loading is far from simple and I do not see a huge resurgence in the absence of a total ban on automatics.
 
So basically, a marked increase in 10 round versions of something like the Sig 365, with a possibility of some increase of revolver sales. What's your take on rifles and long guns in general ?
 
Another AWB or onerous gun laws in today’s volatile society would be a catalyst for something that would be out of control. Just my opinion.

Just myself has seen 3-4 people close to me that are not gun people have made a dramatic change and guns don’t seem to leave their minds; as they have jumped into the deep end of firearm ownership. The political climate, combined with riots, trashing of police thus leading to police retiring or quitting, and COVID has A LOT of regular folks realizing they need to be proactive in their ability to protect themselves and loved ones.

So for politicians to push gun laws there will be significant push back from not only their usual suspects, but a much broader and diverse voter segment. And if they continue to push it will get interesting to say the least this country is extremely divided with a great amount of distrust in the government and media which breeds a person to look at basics of personal well being and security at a much more intense level.

So based on your premise which is hard to follow, the status quo would be alive and well as there are a GREAT many AR’s, handguns with higher capacity, magazines and ammo for them CURRENTLY in Americans possession. So the six gun and levers would continue to get used as they have been, as a past time enjoyment, which I am a part of.
 
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You know, everyone thus far has made some well reasoned comments.

What I will add, however, is that, over the long run-the really long run-they won't quit; they will never quit. They won't stop until they succeed. And they were doing rather well until this year. So I don't believe my grandchildren (I don't have any yet) will be owning semi automatic guns of any type or of any magazine capacity.

But I do believe we will hang onto them as long as we possibly can, no matter what the restrictions. People will register them to keep them. They will use downsized magazines. They will pay taxes and fees. Don't be surprised if your grandchildren own 5 shot Glock 19s. Not until semi autos are completely gone will the old tech make a come back. (And @Jim Watson is right; a revolver is a challenge to master.)
 
I predict that 10 years from now, this old geezer will have as his only home defense "assault rifle" a Marlin 336 and his carry gun will be a 2.5" S&W Model 66. (Of course, by then, by law, I'll only be allowed to carry concealed on my own property and when going to the gas station, er charging station, to charge my Prius, every other public place will be strictly off-limits to firearms). 10 round mags will be outlawed, maximum firearm capacity will be 7 rounds in any concealable handgun.
 
My honest opinion, it's not even a red versus blue thing it's an Authoritarian vs. Libertarian thing (Or have you all forgotten that Reagan signed the Mulford Act and W promised to sign a PERMANENT extension of the 94 AWB if it made it to his desk and Dan Crenshaw thinks Red Flag laws are dandy).

The next time there is an authoritarian majority in the House , Senate and White House, Hell yes, they're going to take your AR15.
 
Yep, its inevitable I fear. Times change, our opponents are growing in strength. The gun culture we grew up in is fading away. New immigrants don’t have the history of free wheeling gun ownership prevalent here.
Manufacturers of items such bumpstocks and forearm braces push the envelope of what is legal. Then folks throw a fit when big brother steps in and pulls the plug.
They’re talking adding MSRs to the NFA list or buying them from us. That’ll be a tough one.
 
Regardless of gun laws, in our own lifetimes we’ve seen the population moving from country to city, as it has been for the last couple of hundred years.

That being a fact, there are fewer places to shoot or hunt, less interest, and the gun culture is diminishing.

Schools and popular culture are teaching our kids guns are evil. I can see guns dying out on their own with no restrictive laws being necessary except for a few diehards and the small populations of the mountain states.
 
Currently every new gun that is manufactured is sold before it leaves the factory. 10 years ago it was the same. 10 years from now it will be the same. Lever guns have made a comeback. Anecdotal evidence from my little corner of flyover country is revolvers seem to be coming back. Semi autos are in a constant state of flux depending on the whims of the buying public.
IMO the political winds are shifting back to the right. A broad look at politics since the 2008 election shows a massive shift away from the left. That shift isn't slowing down at all. I bring this up because we have had a generation + of anti gun rhetoric and I believe that is coming to an end.
 
@kidneyboy i believe you are correct. The left anti gunners has overplayed their hand, especially in lieu of current societal events. People from liberal states moving into my state have come and have embraced the “gun culture” that is alive and well, it is refreshing to see.
 
Armored farmer said:
My state is proof that rural cannot outvote urban.
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The population of Denver is greater than the population of the rest of the state combined. That's why we have a Democratic governor a Democrat Senator and one Democrat congress person. And all three of them represent Denver.

The rest of the state is a Republican senator and two Republican Congress people.

But we can't outvote Denver. That's why Colorado has the stupid weed laws and the stupid gun laws that it has.

I grew up in Nebraska and they have the same problem with Omaha
 
Armored farmer said:
My state is proof that rural cannot outvote urban.

I intend to leave my kids and grandchildren pretty well armed. It is a goal. Decisions made. Actions taken.
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There needs to be a push for electoral college voting at the state level in these states with large population centers. Alas, that would never happen in left leaning states. Won’t go any farther into this as we are not a political discussion board but that would help dramatically in the promotion of freedom in said states.
 
BreechFace said:
There needs to be a push for electoral college voting at the state level in these states with large population centers. Alas, that would never happen in left leaning states. Won’t go any farther into this as we are not a political discussion board but that would help dramatically in the promotion of freedom in said states.
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Just in general I think term limits would change things dramatically.
 
lilguy said:
Yep, its inevitable I fear. Times change, our opponents are growing in strength. The gun culture we grew up in is fading away. New immigrants don’t have the history of free wheeling gun ownership prevalent here.
Manufacturers of items such bumpstocks and forearm braces push the envelope of what is legal. Then folks throw a fit when big brother steps in and pulls the plug.
They’re talking adding MSRs to the NFA list or buying them from us. That’ll be a tough one.
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What's an MSR ?
 
BreechFace said:
Another AWB or onerous gun laws in today’s volatile society would be a catalyst for something that would be out of control. Just my opinion.

Just myself has seen 3-4 people close to me that are not gun people have made a dramatic change and guns don’t seem to leave their minds; as they have jumped into the deep end of firearm ownership. The political climate, combined with riots, trashing of police thus leading to police retiring or quitting, and COVID has A LOT of regular folks realizing they need to be proactive in their ability to protect themselves and loved ones.

So for politicians to push gun laws there will be significant push back from not only their usual suspects, but a much broader and diverse voter segment. And if they continue to push it will get interesting to say the least this country is extremely divided with a great amount of distrust in the government and media which breeds a person to look at basics of personal well being and security at a much more intense level.

So based on your premise which is hard to follow, the status quo would be alive and well as there are a GREAT many AR’s, handguns with higher capacity, magazines and ammo for them CURRENTLY in Americans possession. So the six gun and levers would continue to get used as they have been, as a past time enjoyment, which I am a part of.
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I agree in large part. The thing that is likely to swing this though is what acts of violence make the news and get pushed by media sources. Example... Vegas massacre got a lot of attention and bumpstocks subsequently got banned. I would be inclined to believe that other feature specific bans could go into place, but I would prefer not to speculate too heavily for BINARY reasons, #1 I cant predict the future, and #2 it might upset those who are BRACED for things to come. It also would not surprise me if a ban came into effect limiting how much people can play their DRUMs.
 
BreechFace said:
MSR = Modern Sporting Rifle = AR15
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Oh. Ok. Cool. Another thought I had last night- I do not think they would ever outright ban certain calibers outright. If they *did*, it'd probably be "military calibers". 9x19mm, .308 Win., .223/5.56, etc. For sure and certain *then*, 1911's and revolvers would make a comeback. They'd have no choice.
 
WestKentucky said:
I agree in large part. The thing that is likely to swing this though is what acts of violence make the news and get pushed by media sources. Example... Vegas massacre got a lot of attention and bumpstocks subsequently got banned. I would be inclined to believe that other feature specific bans could go into place, but I would prefer not to speculate too heavily for BINARY reasons, #1 I cant predict the future, and #2 it might upset those who are BRACED for things to come. It also would not surprise me if a ban came into effect limiting how much people can play their DRUMs.
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Clever.
 
Mr. Mosin said:
Oh. Ok. Cool. Another thought I had last night- I do not think they would ever outright ban certain calibers outright. If they *did*, it'd probably be "military calibers". 9x19mm, .308 Win., .223/5.56, etc. For sure and certain *then*, 1911's and revolvers would make a comeback. They'd have no choice.
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it would only make procurement of ammo more expensive. The market would just produce the 308 Freedom, 556 Liberty and 9mm Constitution rounds that happen to look exactly like their military counterparts with minor inconsequential changes.

The 1911’s would not be safe in that situation. And there are a lot more military rounds that would fall into the category you mentioned: 12 gauge, 45 ACP, 30-06, 300 BLk, 30 carbine, 30-40 Krag, 30-03, 45-70, etc. and that’s if they stop at American military.

Good luck, we’ll see them in the ballot boxes and in that event some would see them in the streets with protests no doubt.
 
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BreechFace said:
it would only make procurement of ammo more expensive. The market would just produce the 308 Freedom, 556 Liberty and 9mm Constitution rounds that happen to look exactly like their military counterparts.

The 1911’s would not be safe in that situation. And there are a lot more military rounds that would fall into the category you mentioned: 12 gauge, 45 ACP, 30-06, 300 BLk, 30 carbine, 30-40 Krag, 30-03, 45-70, etc. and that’s if they stop at American military.

Good luck, we’ll see them in the ballot boxes and in that event some would see them in the streets with protests no doubt.
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Agreed, and with this they may have to make minor changes to the cases. Push the should back on .308 and it will still fireform to the chamber. 9mm tapered only part of the way back will hollow out to fill the chamber. Fluted 223 perhaps. However they did it they could dimensionally change the rounds without making them unusable.
 
BreechFace said:
it would only make procurement of ammo more expensive. The market would just produce the 308 Freedom, 556 Liberty and 9mm Constitution rounds that happen to look exactly like their military counterparts.

The 1911’s would not be safe in that situation. And there are a lot more military rounds that would fall into the category you mentioned: 12 gauge, 45 ACP, 30-06, 300 BLk, 30 carbine, 30-40 Krag, 30-03, 45-70, etc. and that’s if they stop at American military.

Good luck, we’ll see them in the ballot boxes and in that event some would see them in the streets with protests no doubt.
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I was referring to modern military cartridges, but you have a point. Good reason to stock up a few 20ga and .410 shells, and buy a few 20ga/.410 shotguns. And... why wouldn't the 1911 be safe ? It is produced in .38 Super...
 
BreechFace said:
@kidneyboy i believe you are correct. The left anti gunners has overplayed their hand, especially in lieu of current societal events. People from liberal states moving into my state have come and have embraced the “gun culture” that is alive and well, it is refreshing to see.
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I look at current events in the context of the Wizard of Oz scene where Dorothy hits the witch with a bucket of water. All the while the witch is melting away she is b!tching about stuff. The left is the witch - on it's way out and b!tching up a storm.
 
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