Ole Joe Clark
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Flint,
Do you cast the 540 grain bullets? Just curious.
Have a blessed day,
Leon
Do you cast the 540 grain bullets? Just curious.
Have a blessed day,
Leon
Not again.......! Feral Hog Control in East Texas
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jmorris
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What’s your load data with that bullet and what rifle are you using it in?
I am a 405 user myself, I bought a bunch back when they were $102/500.
Might be using some later this week, if these guys stay out of the traps but keep hitting this feeder.
There all night, last night, last one left just before the sun came up.
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Found this with a search for “beartooth pile driver” but they don’t quite go up to 540.
https://beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/index.htm
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Flintknapper
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You have it well figured out. Keep after them.
I wish the 405 bulk 'remy' were still available, it is by far my favorite. Generally, it will shoot completely through a hog...but I have recovered a few of them and also the Barnes. The 405 gr. depending on where the hog is hit has a tendency to shed its jacket, but it doesn't seem to matter that much. The rest of the bullet just keeps chugging along, deforming significantly in some cases. But I haven't found anything that puts them down harder.
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No. These are available commercially and at a reasonable cost. No way I am going to smelt the metal, cast it, lubricate it and then add the gas check. Loading them and shooting these blasted hogs....keeps me busy enough. Lots of other things I'd rather be doing.
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That is what I use JM.
They vary in weight slightly but with the gas check and lube...they come in at 540 gr. Of course... the lube (whatever it weighs) burns off going down the barrel so the bullet upon impact is as advertised, 525 grs. or thereabouts. I know the hogs don't care.
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I run the 'Piledriver' about sub to trans-sonic (around 1150 fps) out of my barrel. I can push them a little faster but there is nothing to be gained IMO and the increase in recoil is not worth the exchange.
I am currently loading it as:
26 grains of Reloder-7
CCI 350 Primer
Case Trimmed to 1.570"
OAL 2.085"
Light crimp with Lee FCD
I have also loaded these with 'Lil-Gun but the accuracy was not as good so I didn't play around with it enough to find out if I would like it or not.
The rifle:
The 'upper' I had Marty ter Weeme (first developed the cartridge) build one for me using a 16" PacNor Super Match barrel. Then I assembled a lower and installed a Geissle Two Stage Trigger.
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Flintknapper
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JM,
I will have to look through my notes and see what I used. Off the top of my head it was 21 grains, but let me check on that.
If I can't find my notes....I will run it through QuickLoad, that might help confirm what my memory is telling me.
You have to be sort of careful with Lil'Gun....more so than H110.
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Well....Pookie!
Just checked the card on a game camera from behind the house and I've got a group of small hogs in an area I just planted in oats!
Guess I'd better get down there this evening and run them off. Good stand for having a couple of them 'line up' at least. So either the 405 Remy or the Piledriver will work there. Why can't they just go somewhere else.
Just checked the card on a game camera from behind the house and I've got a group of small hogs in an area I just planted in oats!
Guess I'd better get down there this evening and run them off. Good stand for having a couple of them 'line up' at least. So either the 405 Remy or the Piledriver will work there. Why can't they just go somewhere else.
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Hung in there from 5:30 to 10:00 p.m. nothing but raccoons.
Checked the game cameras at both nearby bait sites and the hogs had come in later that night. You just never know what time (or even IF) they will show up.
Generally...I wait until they establish a pattern but I don't want these pigs in my freshly planted Oats. Wish they had showed up earlier when I was on stand because at times they were 'lined up' pretty well. If you pour corn out in a line, often they will stack up side by side and close together making for an excellent 'multiples' shot.
I also want to check out a new Boar that has shown up at another stand. Curious to see what 'color' he is. Very light colored. Perhaps Yellowish or maybe a light 'red', hard to tell from the IR light of the camera.
Checked the game cameras at both nearby bait sites and the hogs had come in later that night. You just never know what time (or even IF) they will show up.
Generally...I wait until they establish a pattern but I don't want these pigs in my freshly planted Oats. Wish they had showed up earlier when I was on stand because at times they were 'lined up' pretty well. If you pour corn out in a line, often they will stack up side by side and close together making for an excellent 'multiples' shot.
I also want to check out a new Boar that has shown up at another stand. Curious to see what 'color' he is. Very light colored. Perhaps Yellowish or maybe a light 'red', hard to tell from the IR light of the camera.
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Flintknapper
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JM,
I looked back through my notes on that load and I started at 19 grs and worked up to 21, but at 21 I was just starting to see some pressure signs so 19-20 would be safer. IF you are going to try it....be sure to 'ladder up' and start on the low side. H110 is little more forgiving if you have that. But I use Alliant Reloder-7 for so many of my other loads that I just settled on that for this one too, though H110 and LilGun are excellent powders for heavy bullets.
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23.3 MAX....but be careful of your COAL if you go that high.
I'm sure you know H110 and 296 are pretty much identical powders.
I might end up playing with the H110 some more in the future. I have plenty of it....I just didn't invest much time in it when it didn't produce the kind of accuracy I wanted. It wasn't bad.....1.5" to 2" five shot groups at 100 yds. but well off the groups I can get with Reloder-7.
Nearly all of my loadings will shoot MOA (center to center) some better than that, but most of those are a 300 gr. bullet and the venerable 405 gr. Remy will do it too.
Surprisingly, the 'Lehigh' 100 grain aluminum bullet is very accurate out of my barrel. Once I found a loading it liked....I sat down and shot a 1 MOA Ten Shot group with it. I just don't have much application for that light a bullet out of the SOCOM and it tends to leave a aluminum 'smear' in the bore after awhile that quite difficult to remove. I can push those at almost 3,000 fps out the 16" barrel (chronographed)
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Thanks, I can work off that. I have quite a bit of H110/296 and have used it to push the 405 to an average of 1680 fps but it’s hard on brass. I use HS-6 or HS-7 with the 405’s subsonic mostly as most hunting shots are not more than 120 yards or so at our place.
A few years ago I cast and coated a bunch of 500 grain bullets, here beside a 405.
I was going to start with 2400 but got side tracked.
I missed my annual fishing trip to the coast with my friends this year, think I might go sit in a stand and see what I can get that’s not in a trap. Seems like we have trapped and killed all the really stupid ones, the last few weeks only deer have been going into the traps.
But different groups are still hitting open feeders.
A few years ago I cast and coated a bunch of 500 grain bullets, here beside a 405.
I was going to start with 2400 but got side tracked.
I missed my annual fishing trip to the coast with my friends this year, think I might go sit in a stand and see what I can get that’s not in a trap. Seems like we have trapped and killed all the really stupid ones, the last few weeks only deer have been going into the traps.
But different groups are still hitting open feeders.
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I came back to catch up with you killers. Spring 2019 my son and I went to a put and take in Gonzales County and shot several. Took 9 hogs back home to eat. Just about finished eating all that was in the freezer. WE used an R25 and Steyr Scout in 308, Federal Blue box 150gr SP. Deer loads. I should have taken 223s. Good to see you guys are doing well, killing as many as possible. It would be nice to figure out some technique to lure them in a more sure way and make them less aware. Maybe some of that rubbing oil used diluted with diesel sprayed in the traps after a good number were shot there. Might get them coming again. Anyway I can only dream. The State of Misery is too far away unless we could fly a private plane. Kill some on the weekend and fly back. Kill lots of pork and Be Well, Packy.
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On my portable trap, I even shoveled out all the sand that had pooled blood on it but they still haven’t came back in yet.
I think I’ll just move a feeder and cattle panels to a hopeful spot, then once they are there, move the trap to that spot and move the unused feeder to a new location. Kind of a leap frog rotation.
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Flintknapper
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It's really the only answer (move it). You don't even have to move it far to avoid the left over smell and kindle interest in something 'new', even though its the same feeder and panels.
You'll probably be seeing a lull in the action soon as the mast crop begins to fall and they transition to that. Looks like you have hardwoods around. But even so....there will always be groups of lazy/greedy hogs that will avail themselves of the free and easy corn.
You might have to resort to a 'corn arrow' from time to time, some of them are not too smart.
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It's really the only answer (move it). You don't even have to move it far to avoid the left over smell and kindle interest in something 'new', even though its the same feeder and panels.
You'll probably be seeing a lull in the action soon as the mast crop begins to fall and they transition to that. Looks like you have hardwoods around. But even so....there will always be groups of lazy/greedy hogs that will avail themselves of the free and easy corn.
You might have to resort to a 'corn arrow' from time to time, some of them are not too smart.
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That corn arrow works for me, when it's called "cornbread."
Have a blessed day,
Leon
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That corn arrow works for me, when it's called "cornbread."
Have a blessed day,
Leon
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Oh man, that got my mouth to watering. When I was growing up...our Maid used to make 'Hot Water Corn Bread' sometimes. Best darn thing you ever put in your mouth. Oh....how I miss that.
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I had intended to confirm zero before I went to the stand yesterday but didn’t have time, turns out I wasted time. I guess I learned, yet again, the only time you don’t have time is after it’s too late...
I had this one lined up with that little hampshire one behind it but missed
I suppose I’ll have more chances because a completely different group came in just a couple hours after I left (and pulled out that goat weed that had been bugging me in the photos).
I had this one lined up with that little hampshire one behind it but missed
I suppose I’ll have more chances because a completely different group came in just a couple hours after I left (and pulled out that goat weed that had been bugging me in the photos).
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Thanks for the note. Is Tyler, Jacksonville and Rusk part of your "humid" east texas? My son says it s not bad at all. We come from northern Pa and it's REALLY humid in summer! ^0% and higher.
