Capacity of CCW Handgun
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Learn to read. It really is that simple.
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Yes, that's why I said it didn't address the specific issue per se, and is a workaround.
Well, I guess your one gun with more ammo could suffer a mechanical failure. Maybe not as likely as running into 2 crackheads; maybe more likely than running into 12. Nobody really knows. But that is a conceivable advantage, I guess.
Another (real) advantage is if you happen to prefer the revolver platform more and simply don't trust your life to a semi as much. There are a few people out there that feel this way.
But this thread is more about a gun's capacity in and of itself than the concept of a BUG. I understand that.
Try again.
How many rounds it may take to stop an assailant is related to such things as what internal parts of the body are destroyed, the condition of the attacker, his predisposition to being stopped....
But not to what the defender was doing prior to the shooting.
How many rounds the person may choose to carry may depend on whether he, unlike a civilian, is sworn to take a suspect onto custody and is not expected to disengage if the attack is stopped. Is that what you are getting at?
How many rounds it may take to stop an assailant is related to such things as what internal parts of the body are destroyed, the condition of the attacker, his predisposition to being stopped....
But not to what the defender was doing prior to the shooting.
How many rounds the person may choose to carry may depend on whether he, unlike a civilian, is sworn to take a suspect onto custody and is not expected to disengage if the attack is stopped. Is that what you are getting at?
The way I see it, the high capacity guys are trying to encourage everyone to carry more rounds. Do what you want but more is better and often not that much bigger than a revolver.
The low capacity guys seem to defend their position but never say less rounds are better. Just that it’s enough.
Almost nobody says extra rounds hurt anything, unless it induces “spray and pray,” (which I completely disagree with.)
The low capacity guys seem to defend their position but never say less rounds are better. Just that it’s enough.
Almost nobody says extra rounds hurt anything, unless it induces “spray and pray,” (which I completely disagree with.)
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I feel that it tends to be more of a platform issue for most folks.
They don't make any 10-shot centerfire revolvers that I am aware of. I am pretty sure I wouldn't want to carry one anyway.
They don't make any 10-shot centerfire revolvers that I am aware of. I am pretty sure I wouldn't want to carry one anyway.
Charlie98
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When this thread was started, I would have taken even money it was going to deteriorate.
I carry what I carry because it's what I have, my current carry piece is better than what I was carrying, but in my particular case... based on my own personal experience... I can't carry anything bigger because it's too difficult to conceal properly... a prerequisite for me in my particular circumstance.
Rule #1: Carry a gun. Check!
Rule #1a: Carry a gun you can draw and present with consistency with a high likelihood of success. Check!
Rule #1a is why I don't poo-poo anyone's choice of what they carry... be it a derringer or a BFR or a minigun. If you are competent with your particular firearm over any other... then that's good on you. See rule #1.
Old Dog
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Now I'm kinda wishing this thread was broken down by age demographics. Would be interesting to see based on age group what everything thought.
Naw. Not at all.
It's simply that some of us don't train or prepare only for the "average" (or the mean or the median) gunfight. Some of us just want to be prepared for the worst possible scenario, unlikely as it may be.
As I've had Mr. Murphy around for my entire adult life, I've given up presuming or assuming anything when it comes to my (and my family's) personal well-being and safety. And when you've been in a position where you've had to wander around at 0300 on a cold, rainy night counting 49 spent shell casings on the dark, wet pavement and under the parked cars, it kinda makes you think ...
Naw. Not at all.
It's simply that some of us don't train or prepare only for the "average" (or the mean or the median) gunfight. Some of us just want to be prepared for the worst possible scenario, unlikely as it may be.
As I've had Mr. Murphy around for my entire adult life, I've given up presuming or assuming anything when it comes to my (and my family's) personal well-being and safety. And when you've been in a position where you've had to wander around at 0300 on a cold, rainy night counting 49 spent shell casings on the dark, wet pavement and under the parked cars, it kinda makes you think ...
Ironicaintit
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I’m at 13+1, and a spare mag. I do it because I can comfortably, and because you just never know.
No one should. One cannot survive half a gunfight.
That's a good one to keep in mind.
For those who will say that it doesn't apply to them, how about "What would you say if you knew that they counted 49 spent shell cases outside the gas station that were fired a few minutes after you left?".
Charlie98
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Further... it would be interesting to see if anything would change based on location (that is... metropolitan area vs rural.)
RETG
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You can remove my vote for always. If you want to add a qualifier to a poll, I suggest you add it to the wording in the poll; not in the first reply! My normal is 10 round mag, plus one in the chamber; my sometimes in wild areas; is 14 round mag plus one in the chamber. Note: Always one in the chamber; that save my life once!
And stating "handgun with a capacity of more than 10 rounds" also includes the option of carrying one in a chamber. If you wanted to know magazine size in a handgun being carried, than you should have asked that question about the magazine!
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I believe it will change, but maybe more so for the caliber and type of round vs. number. Around town, I carry an H&K P30SK; 10 rd mag 9mm hollow point, one on the chamber. Out in wild areas; hiking, camping, (which for where I live can be a few miles away since that is where the large cats, bears, and coyotes live); I carry a full size PX4 .40 FNHC (HCFN) 200 gr, 14 rd mag, one in the chamber.
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For me it wouldnt make any difference.
Ive lived in cities, suburbs, and rural, worked and played in all pretty much every area you can name, and always carried the same thing (full sized handguns) and pretty much all the time.
I often wonder what the breakdown is, size of gun wise, by age. When I started carrying (Im getting old
), we didnt really have much choice, "full size" was the primary choice, and "small" were 2" J and K frames or similar, or things like a PPK's, smaller Colt autos, and similar, and they were generally considered backups or make do's. Most people I know/knew that carried a gun on a daily basis, carried 1911's, HP's, 2"- 4" revolvers, etc.
For the most part, I opted for the 1911's, and have never had any problems carrying gun sizes of that either. Im also one that is willing to embrace change, and move along with progress, and have done so. Im not willing to compromise with some things, and give up performance for fashion though.
I think its the more recent trend of the smaller guns flooding the markets, that has inflenced a lot of what we see today, and some are willing (or dont even know any better) to give up performance for something that is more of a compromise.
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Simply to show, you never know what you might get, and no matter who you are. That was yet another "individual" case, and that one took the cop, everything he had in his gun.
By your logic, if we go by his story, we would all need at least 14 rounds. By your story, we would only need one. Whats the next one going to be? You get what you get, and get to deal with it with what you brought along. Simple as that.
What you can do, is do your best to be as prepared as possible, for as much as you can. Carry a realistic gun and learn to use it, beyond the basics.[/QUOTE]
You haven't been reading my posts.
By your logic, if we go by his story, we would all need at least 14 rounds. By your story, we would only need one. Whats the next one going to be? You get what you get, and get to deal with it with what you brought along. Simple as that.
What you can do, is do your best to be as prepared as possible, for as much as you can. Carry a realistic gun and learn to use it, beyond the basics.[/QUOTE]
You haven't been reading my posts.
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What did I miss. It can be hard to keep up here at times.
JR24
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Clearly ...
With the way Mr. Murphy has been in 2020, we should all probably be walking around with belt-feds.
Charlie98
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...and there also might be differences in geographical location... North vs South, for example. There are a lot of variables that are relevant beyond the OP's question, but to factor them in would make the poll itself unwieldy.
Actually, I'm surprised at the poll results so far. Taking the middle stuff out and just looking at the always vs never, I wouldn't have guessed the Nevers would be beating the Always, particularly given modern technology and the availability of compact double-stack pistols.
Ernie Bass
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They became trend years ago and a advancements were made. And a whole bunch of folks that have been shooting for decades that know whole lot about guns do in fact carry them and train with them very often. I have met many over the past 10 years. And these same folks do own other larger guns and larger capacity guns as well. And they shoot both very well with a lot of confidence. Many that own larger higher capacity firearms will have no problem carrying one of the smaller guns and do so much more often. It is up to the individual to train and become competent with which defensive gun they use.
There seems to be what I see on the internet a whole lot of miss-information put out by those that do not shoot small guns very well. They can't and they want everyone to believe no one else can either.
The fact is, any handgun is a compromise. And the fact is, the vast majority of shooters do not train with due diligence. Persoanlly I have learned so many times that you never under estimate what any person can do with the gun they shoot often. But I love it when they do under estimate.
Fire arms are a personal choice and to assume that a person that shoots a small gun does not know as much as a person with a larger gun is just nonsense.
What I have seen are many that trained with larger guns move DOWN in size rather than up. Yet, I have NO problem with a person that prefers a larger higher capacity. Way too many assumptions on the internet.
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I think a lot of the last part there is the trend and accptance today to the smaller, pocket guns, and those who prefer the smaller revolvers over the autos.
The smallest I go these days, is a Glock 26, which a lot of people anymore, seem to think is a "big" gun. And I mostly use it as a back up to my 17.
I have a few smaller guns, but I really dont see the point in carrying them anymore, when I can just as easily carry the 26.
They do make cute BBQ guns though.
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I think a lot of the last part there is the trend and accptance today to the smaller, pocket guns, and those who prefer the smaller revolvers over the autos.
The smallest I go these days, is a Glock 26, which a lot of people anymore, seem to think is a "big" gun. And I mostly use it as a back up to my 17.
I have a few smaller guns, but I really dont see the point in carrying them anymore, when I can just as easily carry the 26.
They do make cute BBQ guns though.
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And there we go again. What you carry is your business and you prefer a 26 is fine. I do like the belt buckle. Never shot one of those. But I would not under estimate what you can do with it. A bad guy might just end up with a 22.cal bullet between the eyes.
JR24
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With things like the Glock 26 and 365 being 10 rounds, I wonder how much the results would have changed if the question was instead "10 or more"
Ernie Bass
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Or 11 or more.
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What are we comparing here?
Things like a Glock 26, or one of the smaller M&P's, which are very viable "smaller" guns?
Or are you saying that things like the LCP's, and the others, what I call "third line" guns, which seem to be very popular these days, are also in that class?
I spend a good bit of time, and on a weekly basis, shooting full sized guns like my 17's, Berettas, SIG, 1911's, as well as shooting things like J and K frame snubbys, my 26's, and a couple of others. With a little more practice and effort, especially more so with the J frames, you can be mostly competitive with some of the smaller guns compared to the full sized guns, to a point. They still are in no way, a replacement for them.
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Trying to get that NAA into action in any kind of realistic encounter, would likely get you killed.
I totally agree, whatever it is you choose to carry, you should be very familiar with it, and practice with it, all the time, and from how you carry it.
The problem I mostly see is, that isnt the norm, for most shooters in general, and even less, for those who tend to carry the smaller guns, especially those who might think something like that NAA Mini, might be a viable choice.
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