Strive to carry the handgun you would want anywhere, everywhere.

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I started in 2007. I did start with a larger gun. An old Ruger P-series. I only had 2 handguns, it & a Dan Wesson revolver. Next was a Springfield XD 40, then a Kel-Tec P-11. Then I got a Taurus PT-111 G2. The G2 with its G-26 size frame & barrel & G-19 sized grip made me realize I could easily carry a Compact sized gun since the grip is what prints not the length. I wound up selling the XD & the Taurus after I got a M&P 2.0 Compact with a 4" barrel. I still have a smaller 9mm but I much prefer the M&P. I consider the Compact size the goldilocks size. Large enough to be easy to shoot well, small enough to conceal. I do find myself tempted by the P-365 but it isn't likely I will buy anything soon. Waiting to see if things calm down.

Your post reminds me of the concealed carry qualifying courses I've been to. In each class, the guns that I saw used on the line were full size handguns or one notch smaller than full sized (like a commander sized 1911). Not a single revolver either, because back then if you qualified with a revolver your license stated you could only carry a revolver.
 
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Im referring to if they actually have to try to use them. Are you comfortable with those people drawing and shooting something they have most likely never drawn and fired before around you?

Under what circumstances are they drawing and firing and what constitutes "around" me?

Do you mean on a range?;

Except at a range I can't imagine circumstances in which anyone around me would be drawing and firing at anything without me ducking for cover.

If they're not around me I really don't care what they do.
 
Im referring to if they actually have to try to use them. Are you comfortable with those people drawing and shooting something they have most likely never drawn and fired before around you?

When I wrote "for all I care", I should have written that it's really not up to me what others carry. Whether they carry legally or illegally, I can't control what someone else carries and I can't control what level of training they have or what their practice regimen is.

Unless there is some sort of law that requires training classes and regular qualifications . . . Yet, expecting others to meet training and qualification requirements would imply that we want more government oversight in our lives.

The bottom line for me is that people that conceal carry legally are really a vastly lesser worry than criminals that may want to attack me or my family.

Considering Texas requires a license for concealed carry, and considering the low percentage of active licensees* compared to the general population, and considering how many of those licensees do not carry on a daily basis. Well . . .

*1,443,195 active license holders in 2019, which is 5% of the population of Texas currently estimated to be 28,995,881.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/LTC/reports/ActLicAndInstr/ActiveLicandInstr2019.pdf
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https://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/LTC/reports/demographics.htm
 
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All this "evidence" really tells us is that the American carrying public, as a general rule, is lazy and not all the way committed to carrying the most effective handgun possible.

Yeah, see my post above with the active licensees in my state. Of those licensed carriers, I'm certain a very high percentage does not carry on a daily basis. I know many licensees that got the license "just in case" they felt the need to carry a gun. Funny thing is, those particular people seem to rarely do so as they feel everywhere they go is a "good" part of town, or they just like the convenience of not going through a background check on a gun purchase.
 
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Of the concealable handguns owned, strive to carry the one you would want anywhere, everywhere.
Whatever is carried where "anticipated threat" is greater, carry that; yes, even for a quick trip to the store.
This is the way.
You're welcome. :thumbup:

I carry my Sig Sauer C3 1911 everywhere I go whether I "anticipate a threat" or not.
 
I carry my Sig Sauer C3 1911 everywhere I go whether I "anticipate a threat" or not.

Exactly. :thumbup:

If we are ever justified to use lethal force something is already not the norm and unexpected.
How can the actions of criminals/psychos within driving distance (they come to the "good" area) on a given day be anticipated (predicted)?
It can't.
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Under what circumstances are they drawing and firing and what constitutes "around" me?

Do you mean on a range?;

Except at a range I can't imagine circumstances in which anyone around me would be drawing and firing at anything without me ducking for cover.

If they're not around me I really don't care what they do.
What if they are up the aisle in the Walmart, or across the parking lot and decide they need to get into it with someone and start letting rounds go in your direction (instead of into the intended target), simply because they have no skills and have never drawn and fired that gun in practice to be able to at least make reasonable hits.

I do think its a good idea people are exercising their rights and carrying their also guns, but I also think its a scary idea, all at the same time. There are a LOT more people out there with a gun that have no training, or even basic skills at all, and those people are just as much a threat to us, the bystander, as they are their intended target. Its kind of like the old gang drive-by joke. If youre the intended target, youre likely the safest person there.


When I wrote "for all I care", I should have written that it's really not up to me what others carry. Whether they carry legally or illegally, I can't control what someone else carries and I can't control what level of training they have or what their practice regimen is.

Unless there is some sort of law that requires training classes and regular qualifications . . . Yet, expecting others to meet training and qualification requirements would imply that we want more government oversight in our lives.

The bottom line for me is that people that conceal carry legally are really a vastly lesser worry than criminals that may want to attack me or my family.

Considering Texas requires a license for concealed carry, and considering the low percentage of active licensees* compared to the general population, and considering how many of those licensees do not carry on a daily basis. Well . . .

*1,443,195 active license holders in 2019, which is 5% of the population of Texas currently estimated to be 28,995,881.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/LTC/reports/ActLicAndInstr/ActiveLicandInstr2019.pdf
from
https://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/LTC/reports/demographics.htm
I dont think you should be required by law to take a course or pass a test. Thats just part of your responsibility as an adult and citizen. If you choose not to do your due dilligence, and you screw up, thats all on you, and it should be.

Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to think, all you need do is acquire a gun, and your good to go.


Agree. For one thing, to take the Pocket Pistol Class, Gunsite has a minimum prerequisite of this class. https://www.gunsite.com/classes/150-pistol-class/
It would be nice, and make a lot of sense, if the states, local municipalities, etc, would offer reasonably priced, if not free, classes of this type. Especially since so many now have just bought guns in a panic, and likely have no training.

Our ever-increasing taxes pay for so much BS stuff, this would actually be a good thing to "waste" the money on.

Places like Gunsite are great, but realistically, most likely out of reach for most.
 
I carry the same gun all the time regardless of season. In the summer it certainly prints more when all I'm wearing as a cover garment is a t-shirt, but so what? I'm not doing anything illegal, and nobody notices anyways.

I can't wrap my head around the idea of different guns depending on where I'm going that day. I hope I'll never need to defend myself with my gun, and don't expect that I ever will. But by definition unexpected means if it happens it will be out of the blue, so how can I predict where that will be?

I don't have the large selection of handguns that some of you do, so finding the right one is perhaps easier for me. I started with a Shield 9 because I thought it would be easy to conceal but I never shot that smaller gun as well as I wanted so I tried an M&P compact 9. I shot that much better so it became my EDC. It wasn't as easy to conceal but by then I'd gotten over worrying about that.

I've since added an M&P compact 45 which will fit the same holster as the compact 9, but I continue with the 9mm as my carry gun since it's the one I'm most comfortable with, and I don't feel that I need a larger caliber. I want my carry gun to be what I'm most familiar with and after thousands of rounds through the 9 with nary a hiccup it fits that bill.
 
I can't wrap my head around the idea of different guns depending on where I'm going that day.

It's easier if the different guns triggers work similarly to one another. In my case, true double action only or semi-cocked "double" action carry guns without manual safeties are my choice. Makes it easy for me to go from my Taurus 85UL to my Glock 36 and everything else in between.
 
I carry the same gun all the time regardless of season. In the summer it certainly prints more when all I'm wearing as a cover garment is a t-shirt, but so what? I'm not doing anything illegal, and nobody notices anyways.

I can't wrap my head around the idea of different guns depending on where I'm going that day. I hope I'll never need to defend myself with my gun, and don't expect that I ever will. But by definition unexpected means if it happens it will be out of the blue, so how can I predict where that will be?

I don't have the large selection of handguns that some of you do, so finding the right one is perhaps easier for me. I started with a Shield 9 because I thought it would be easy to conceal but I never shot that smaller gun as well as I wanted so I tried an M&P compact 9. I shot that much better so it became my EDC. It wasn't as easy to conceal but by then I'd gotten over worrying about that.

I've since added an M&P compact 45 which will fit the same holster as the compact 9, but I continue with the 9mm as my carry gun since it's the one I'm most comfortable with, and I don't feel that I need a larger caliber. I want my carry gun to be what I'm most familiar with and after thousands of rounds through the 9 with nary a hiccup it fits that bill.

Sounds like you are doing it right. :thumbup:
 
I carry the same handgun in public that I carry in the woods.
I do this mostly because I don't believe in playing musical handguns. I have always felt that one should become intimately familiar with their defensive weapon and stick with it in all situations.
I never want to have to think about differences in this weapon or the other when I really need to use it.
 
Bears are a thing

10mm is the answer. :D
I often carry a Glock 20SF despite that I'm unlikely to encounter a bear shopping or in a parking lot; I really like the Glock 20SF.
I also have 1911's in 10mm Ruger, Ruger, Kimber, Colt - made a meme with them. :D
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Exactly. :thumbup:

If we are ever justified to use lethal force something is already not the norm and unexpected.
How can the actions of criminals/psychos within driving distance (they come to the "good" area) on a given day be anticipated (predicted)?
It can't.
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I live in Bulloch county Ga. We just had a career criminal from Tennessee break into a home kill the woman who lived there and stole her car. He was caught in FL. Mostly farming going on here. I consider it a "safe" place. This can happen anywhere. Glock 19 is my everyday carry these days.
 
I'm unlikely to encounter a bear shopping or in a parking lot

Did you watch those videos? Those weren't out in the woods somewhere. Louie's Pizza is right in the middle of downtown Colorado Springs. The lady who was attacked was in downtown Manitou Springs
 
Just to cage the gyros here....

For prudent, law abiding = civilians,

  • "Carrying what you want, anywhere" should not involve going anywhere imprudent if it can be avoided, and
  • it should not entail carrying where it would be unlawful.
And to be blunt, I would worry if what someone "wants" is based on envisioning pursuing and apprehending criminals, which is best left to sworn officers, rather than lawful self defense.
 
Just to cage the gyros here....

For prudent, law abiding = civilians,

  • "Carrying what you want, anywhere" should not involve going anywhere imprudent if it can be avoided, and
  • it should not entail carrying where it would be unlawful.
And to be blunt, I would worry if what someone "wants" is based on envisioning pursuing and apprehending criminals, which is best left to sworn officers, rather than lawful self defense.

Am I missing something? Did anyone in this discussion say they carried a gun in anticipation of pursuing and apprehending criminals
 
What if they are up the aisle in the Walmart, or across the parking lot and decide they need to get into it with someone and start letting rounds go in your direction (instead of into the intended target), simply because they have no skills and have never drawn and fired that gun in practice to be able to at least make reasonable hits.

I do think its a good idea people are exercising their rights and carrying their also guns, but I also think its a scary idea, all at the same time. There are a LOT more people out there with a gun that have no training, or even basic skills at all, and those people are just as much a threat to us, the bystander, as they are their intended target. Its kind of like the old gang drive-by joke. If youre the intended target, youre likely the safest person there.

I understand what you're saying but I've got better odds of winning the lottery
 
Am I missing something? Did anyone in this discussion say they carried a gun in anticipation of pursuing and apprehending criminals
No.

My point was that some of what some people say they like to carry might indicate that that kind of thing may be among their fantasies,
 
How many times have you been caught in the middle of someone else's gun fight in the produce section at Walmart?
Never, but thats not the point.

Unless you have that crystal ball, you can never know. Might be never, might be tonight. :thumbup:
 
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