Throat erosion

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I know that eventually a chamber throat can have some significant erosion, but I checked length on some bullets when this gun was new and just rechecked tonight after 150 rounds and it appears to be .008” longer.

Does that sound feasible? I guess I would expect some significant change in the early stages, as you knock of the sharp corners and such.

This was on a 6.5 CM and I just found it interesting. I have grown pretty fond of the experience of the getting to know your rifle chamber that is associated with the reloading process.

When I used to get a new gun I was only interested in the appearance and now I am immediately wondering how that chamber measures up and if I can load to the lands and still make mag length.
 
Throat erosion is mainly a heat thing. The more powder the faster it goes. Some calibers are notorious like 243 for eating throats. The larger the overbore the worse off you are.
 
That sounds excessive to me. What kind of loads are you running?
 
From what I’ve read, ball powders tend to erode throats less than stick. The military seems to think so as well.
 
I have run a handful of loads, but all have been with H4350. Nothing above the 41.5 gr max with 140 hpbt.

no fire cracking that I can see, but I don’t have a note scope anyway.
 
I have run a handful of loads, but all have been with H4350. Nothing above the 41.5 gr max with 140 hpbt.

no fire cracking that I can see, but I don’t have a note scope anyway.
How much time between shots? A hot barrel supposedly burns out faster.
I don't know because I only shoot slowly when target shooting.
Wear it out and re-barrel;)
 
That's not excessive for 6.5 CM. You will only get about 3,500 rounds before the barrel will be shot out. Be glad its not a 6mm. Then, you would then be replacing the barrel after about 1,500 rounds.
 
Thanks all. This sounds to be the norm. I haven’t let the barrel get excessively hot. I will shoot a couple five shot strings and take a break.

The Ruger gets hot quick regardless.

I don’t have any real concerns and was aware of the fact that things erode. I had never personally documented it until now.

I have another 6.5 Grendel that I am going to check for the hell of it. I have roughly 7-800 rounds thru it. It certainly won’t be apples to apples, but I am curious.
 
Think about throat erosion and changing where the lands actually are after erosion. IMHO If anything is going to throw off best seating depth for your rifle, it is the erosion.
 
Did you keep the same test bullet and cartridge
I think this is really important - most especially with an extreme overbored cartridge which may only get 1,000 rounds before accuracy starts to erode. Get an accurate headspace and max COAL measurements on your rifle chamber when new and keep those measurements safe. On used rifles, take the measurements and watch the progression. I'm lucky to have a gunsmith friend with a borescope (and a lathe and a mill, etc.). Good gunsmiths with good borescopes are hard to find at least around here.
 
Throat erosion is mainly a heat thing. The more powder the faster it goes. Some calibers are notorious like 243 for eating throats. The larger the overbore the worse off you are.
If it's a heat thing, as I have heard. Open your bolt and let the barrel breathe and slow down your shots. Letting the barrel cool a bit. This can help, I believe.
 
7mm Rum is Notorious for it. In researching mine I found the best way to extend barrel life is to let it cool and also run a cleaning patch down it after the 5th round or so every time you shoot. My cousin has a battery powered air mattress pump set up to blow air down the barrel of his 6.5 Creedmoor to cool it down between shots.
 
My various 204 and 20 practicals only make it around 2000 rounds. My son's 223's groups started opening up around 2700 rounds. My 270 was starting to go around 1500 rounds, but note 300-400 rounds were cast bullets).
From my experience 223's go around 3000 rounds for prairie dogs, that is 1 MOA or worse to rebarrel.
 
Sad thread, just for my own info: I'm having a new Lilja barrel installed on my old trusty 22-250. 1-8 twist for 70 - 75 gr match bullets. Wonder how many rounds it will take to lose some degree of accuracy? Rifle is being built for a Ground Hog / Egg Shoot match in NC first Saturday in April 2021. Guessing around 3000 fps for the loads, or maybe a little more. Depends where the sweet spot is.
 
Throat erosion is combination of several factors with Heat and Velocity being the big 2. The reason magnums are the first to give up, is more powder and the longer burn time. This gives you both heat and velocity moving over the highest heat area repeatedly. I don't like powders that run HOT, this just shortens the barrel life. Think Little-Gun, not recommend for revolvers but ok for Rifles? Same heat just not allowed to leak, so it's going to shorten the barrel life. Another powder is TG which runs hotter than blazes, mainly used is autos. I shot out a SS 223 Wydle chamber around 7000-8000 rounds trying to get it to shoot the light bullets. The barrel won, never did get it to shoot, replaced with a Shilen barrel. I have a brand new Kreiger Ultra Match barrel ready for my Match gun 223R which currently has 5300 round count. Reminds me I need to order some more barrel blanks to have on hand.
 
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