New tech on old rifles?

I just prefer when the finishes on various parts of the rifle match. Not many companies making high polished blued scopes.

I always thought a high polish finish in synthetic stocks was a little off as well.

If it's more functional then I don't mind, so long it's not some bid target scope. Weaver did do the new I series some years ago, I really wanted one but never seen one in person, they did aluminum or steel tube but with modern glass.

I am hardly a dean of rifle style, and I am more of a function over looks type person. I prefer a high luster gloss look scope on a high luster blued rifle. These days a high luster/gloss scope and rings are hard to find. My Winchester M70 wears a matte scope with gloss rings so it "looks" like a misfit anyhow. I don't notice it anymore.

I do laugh when I see a target scope on someone's hunting rifle at the range, but you know "whatever floats your boat". If they like it and it works for them that is all that matters.

-Jeff

Can I get a red dot sight & laser for a Brown Bess??? ........ ..........

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-If you're only going to get one shot then you better make sure that it hits... .

gotboostvr said:

I just prefer when the finishes on various parts of the rifle match. Not many companies making high polished blued scopes.

I always thought a high polish finish in synthetic stocks was a little off as well.

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And polished blue in wood is amazing if it’s a gloss finish on the stock. Matte finish clashes with shiny finish.

And yes, it is difficult and expensive to make everything match at times. That’s why my beater rifles don’t match.

A red dot on a 30-30 for hunting makes some sense. It seems like the effective range of both would match up pretty well.

I'm chuckling at the thought of the Fiery-arms Fashion Police,,,
Patrolling the firing line at my rifle/pistol club.

Imagine getting a fine for having a silver scope on a blued rifle.

Aarond

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mainecoon said:

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I prefer a nice rifle to have a nice scope. If the gun is matte make it a matte scope. If shiny blue, make it a shiny scope. I am up against this problem myself with a few rifles.

Mounting a scope is a reversible modification, and it's your call in any case. I like old scopes, but I also like new glass and coatings (when I can afford them!)

FWIW, I've got three 'classic' wood and blued steel Mauser 98 sporters (a mid-60s Heym and two late-40s Husqvarnas) and I've gone both ways. The newer Husqvarna has a modern Leupold in Warne QD rings, while the other two have old Weaver bases, rings and scopes. I don't think the newer matte Leupold and rings ruin the look, and if it did I could always swap before the camera comes out.



This is starting to sound Biblical: And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and. cast it from thee.

Matte scope on a wood stocked gloss blue rifle doesn’t bother me. Super shiny glossy wood furniture on a firearm does. I like an oil finish.

Chicharrones bothers me because he seldom posts anymore.

I don't think a matte finished scope looks bad at all on a older classic rifle. Don't confuse the Classic rifles from the 1950's and older with the highly modernistic styling typical of the Weatherby's and Remington's introduced in the 1970's. The true classics always had a more subdued finish on both metal and wood and matte finished scopes look right at home on them. The gaudy brightly polished metal and high gloss wood and way out there stock designs that came about later are not classic designs.

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Modern

I personally think gigantic variable scopes look ridiculous on nearly everything, but especially on rifles like the pre '64 Model 70 in jmr40's picture. A rifle like that really deserves a fixed 4X or 6X, as shown.

But frankly, most rifles from the 1950's are like most rifles of today: average. If a fellow wants to put a blister pack 3x9 on an old Remington 721 or Savage 340 then I don't think the cognoscenti will take note, other than perhaps to turn up their noses at the whole affair.

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Okay,,,
That word sent me to the dictionary.

Aarond

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Mark me down as one of the old guys who call ourselves "Traditionalist." That's not necessarily because we are resistant to change (Ofttimes the opposite is true) but because there is comfort in pleasant memories of past times and events. Which is why I, and other folks like me, enjoy having and using guns and adventures from the past. But,(Big BUT here.) we can also have our cake and eat it too, by temporarily applying latest technology without sacrificing treasured memories. One such example is the vintage SAKO .222 Rem. with Mannlicher stock. I owned an identical rifle when I was a teenager, complete with Lyman Wolverine scope. I loved the rifle and it broke my heart when I had to sell it for college. But vowed to own one again, just the way it was, scope and all. Which came to pass in time, but the vintage scope isn't up to day's standards, so I mounted a more modern scope for actual shooting, but I leave the old Lyman for show and memories. Same with M-70 .375 Mag, which was and is a classic rig from Griffin & Howe with legendary Lyman Alaskan scope. It poses elegantly in my gun rack, but for real shooting it's more up to date to slip on this recent Zeiss 4X . But other rigs and combos are too fixed in time and memories to ever change, such as this Mannlicher 6.5 with Alaskan scope that was owned and used by well-known explorer and writer. and this absolute Weatherby .257 Mag with B&L Balvar 8. Which in the 1950's was the stuff of boyhood daydreams, and remains my favorite pronghorn rig, unchanged.

Beautiful rifles, Offhand.

Like putting a rail on a Roller? No 5 Roller in 45 Colt. It was in bad shape when I got it, stock destroyed, barrel was shot out. Now its a fun single shot that weighs about 1 ton.

Optics... generally tend to stay w/ the rifle.

Not sure about this, though...


GR

I'll be the first to admit,,,
A modern side focus tactical scope,,,
looks a bit out of place on an older Nylon 66.

But if that's what you have, want or need,,,
Go for it.

A while back I purchased an older (50's maybe) Western Field .22 single-shot,,,
I tried to find an affordable scope that looked to be from the same period.

I couldn't find one so I slapped a new blister-pack 4X Simmons on it,,,

They don't match up all that well but who really cares.

The rifle shoots less than an inch at 50 yards,,,
That's what really counts.

Here's an even odder one for you.

I have an H&R .22 Sportster break-open action rifle,,,
Mounting any scope on it is difficult because they all hit the hammer.

So I mounted a tubular red dot on it,,,

This is one odd looking rig,,,
But now the rifle is very usable.

Most people chuckle when they see it,,,
But they don't laugh at the groups it shoots,,,
It's now a "minute of soup can" rifle at 100 yards.

So even as much as I do appreciate the aesthetics of a well matched rig,,,
At the center of things is what you have on hand or can afford,,,
And how well they perform together that counts.

Aarond

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Garandimal said:

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I bought one of these mounts and tried the setup for about 15 minutes on my Garand before going back to the military sight -- which then took me about an hour to put back together properly!

I didn't think I was such a traditionalist until I saw the results...

You should check out the NV/IR scopes used in Korea... Then you wont feel so bad about a blued scope on a matte gun or whatnot!

Kinda like these M14/M1As, but they were even used on M1 Carbines.

aarondhgraham said:

Here's an even odder one for you.

I have an H&R .22 Sportster break-open action rifle,,,
Mounting any scope on it is difficult because they all hit the hammer.

So I mounted a tubular red dot on it,,,

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The answer I found involved a few minutes of careful work on the hammer with a Dremel and cutoff wheel.

Dave DeLaurant said:

The answer I found involved a few minutes of careful work on the hammer with a Dremel and cutoff wheel.

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My 22 hornet handi-rifle had a scope on it. The factory hammer had one of those side extensions put on it. Nothing hit the scope though. Just couldnt access the hammer. Ive since removed the scope and hammer extension. I can hit 8" gongs at 100 yds with the iron sights. No need for a scope!