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So be86 and sport pistol are the latest and greatest but no load data for unique or 2400 for lead in 38 or 357. In these times they are not exactly providing the best service by leaving out the popular options. It's not like they have tons of product on the shelf to choose from.... Screenshot_20201115-214640_Samsung Internet.jpg
 
i just figured they should include the staples....
I don't have and have never had any Unique or 2400 in my loading room.

BE-86 does everything that Unique does in the calibers that I load...9mm, .38Spl, .45ACP. Sport Pistol does everything I need in those calibers and BE-86 doesn't do as well. Both powders meter better also
 
So be86 and sport pistol are the latest and greatest but no load data for unique or 2400 for lead in 38 or 357. In these times they are not exactly providing the best service by leaving out the popular options. It's not like they have tons of product on the shelf to choose from....View attachment 955711
Data for 357 Magnum loads with non-jacketed
lead bullets with Unique & 2400 are definitely are available at these links.

http://marvinstuart.com/firearm/Manuals/Reloading/Caliber Specific Load Data/Complete Reloading Manual for the 357 Magnum.pdf

http://marvinstuart.com/firearm/Manuals/Reloading/Caliber Specific Load Data/MidwayUsa LoadMap 357Magnum.pdf

Both more generally available at this web link

http://marvinstuart.com/firearm/Manuals/Reloading/Caliber Specific Load Data/

Those aren't part of the current Alliant powders website but they've been around a while.
 
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2400 is a poor choice for .38 Spl, but great for .357 Mag. Older PDFs have 2400 data for .357. Yes, they are pushing the new stuff. :)

I tries to upload a zip file with an Alliant pdf, but it said it was too large.
 
When compared to the Hodgdon website, Alliant is stuck in the Stone Age. I like some of their powders and I have often wished they had a better reloading data on their site. Lucky for us we have other resources to draw from.
 
Glad to see I'm not the only one frustrated with the Alliant data.

BE-86 does everything that Unique does in the calibers that I load...9mm, .38Spl, .45ACP. Sport Pistol does everything I need in those calibers and BE-86 doesn't do as well. Both powders meter better also

Personally, I've not found that in my case. Yes, they meter better... I won't deny that. I've not found either BE-86 or SportPistol to be as versatile as Unique in other cartridges, including some very strange results in both .41 and .45 Colt, or work as well in 9mm... in my experience. I'll burn up what I have on the bench... but I won't be back.

Yes, they are pushing the new stuff.

Yes... they are.
 
The powder manufacturer's published data serves chiefly as an inducement for customers to buy their powders. Perhaps the powder manufacturers limit their recommended loads to highlight the best component combinations for their products.

One can argue that listing all possible (and safe) combinations would be favorable to their customers, but the cost to do so may outweigh the sales benefits. I am a bit surprised to see some of Alliant's earlier loading data omitted from their latest Reloader's Guide, and continue to use some of their earlier data in my reloading. But my experience has been that the recipes I've tried from the latest Reloader's Guide, especially those utilizing the newer powders, have generally produced good results for me; perhaps achieving Alliant's intent.
 
The powder manufacturer's published data serves chiefly as an inducement for customers to buy their powders. Perhaps the powder manufacturers limit their recommended loads to highlight the best component combinations for their products.

I have to scratch my head over that one. Published data has always been sort of a 3-ring circus... not only in differences in load data that can vary wildly, although I understand that everyone's testing parameters and methodologies are different... but sometimes just the components they choose. Take Hodgdon's data for, likely, one of the most common cartridges loaded... the 124grn 9mm. The use some obscure bullet, the 'BERB hollow-base, round nose, TP (not sure what that is...)' for 99% of the data? Crazy.
 
Take Hodgdon's data for, likely, one of the most common cartridges loaded... the 124 grn 9mm. The use some obscure bullet, the 'BERB hollow-base, round nose, TP (not sure what that is...)' for 99% of the data? Crazy.

BERB = Berry's Bullets
124grain, 9mm, hollow base, round nose,
TP = Thick Plate

Perhaps the particular hollow base TP isn't the most popular 9mm bullet in Berrys line, but the weight is no doubt popular. And many higher volume reloaders are using plated 124gr bullets in their 9mms.
 
I really like alliant products and they are the only independent company left as far as I know. Vista outdoors owns everything else.
Alliant is owned by Vista Outdoors along with Speer, CCI, RCBS, Outers, Hoppes, Federal, and others.

https://vistaoutdoor.com/brands/

In Europe RUAG similarly owns RWS, Geco, Norma, Rottweil, Hirtenberger, etc

https://www.ruag.com/en/products-services/land/hunting-sports-ammunition

ETA: For powders, at least as far as marketing rights goes, the Hodgdon umbrella has the most brands these days in the USA especially since their acquisition of Western

https://hodgdon.com/hodgdon-acquisitions/
 
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Alliant is owned by Vista Outdoors along with Speer, CCI, RCBS, Outers, Hoppes, Federal, and others.

https://vistaoutdoor.com/brands/

In Europe RUAG similarly owns RWS, Geco, Norma, Rottweil, Hirtenberger, etc

https://www.ruag.com/en/products-services/land/hunting-sports-ammunition

ETA: For powders, at least as far as marketing rights goes, the Hodgdon umbrella has the most brands these days in the USA especially since their acquisition of Western

https://hodgdon.com/hodgdon-acquisitions/
My mistake I thought hogden fell under vista and got it reversed. Thanks for clarifying
 
BERB = Berry's Bullets
124grain, 9mm, hollow base, round nose,
TP = Thick Plate

Perhaps the particular hollow base TP isn't the most popular 9mm bullet in Berrys line

I would never have guessed Berry's in a million years. I was thinking Berger, but they don't make handgun bullets.

Because I reference that data, particularly when I was test driving new powders, like W244, I thought they could have done a lot better than a hollow-base bullet. They also have data for 2 good examples... a 124grn lead RN, and a 124grn (generic) FMJ... but those two only feature WSF as the 'powder of choice.' Again... just strange.
 
In the case of the 38/357 one would expect a 158 rn or swc as the gold standard. Seems like the choice for test standards could be vastly improved. Using the gold dot is an incestuous standard that at least makes marketing sense. Maybe I should go to college to be a bullistician.
 
AJC1 -- from the Alliant 2013 manual -- and the pages are attached.
357 Mag
Cartridge/Bullet Powder Primer Case Min OAL Max Chg Velocity
158-gr Speer LSWC Bullseye CCI 500 Speer 1.570 4.8 939
158-gr Speer LSWC Unique CCI 500 Speer 1.570 6.0 1034

38 Special
158-gr Speer LSWC Bullseye CCI 500 Speer 1.440 3.5 814
158-gr Speer LSWC Red Dot CCI 500 Speer 1.440 3.4 793
158-gr Speer LSWC Unique CCI 500 Speer 1.440 4.7 815
158-gr Speer LSWC Power Pistol CCI 500 Speer 1.440 5.4 948

38 Special +P
158-gr Speer LSWC Bullseye CCI 500 Speer 1.440 3.9 874
158-gr Speer LSWC Red Dot CCI 500 Speer 1.440 3.8 846
158-gr Speer LSWC Unique CCI 500 Speer 1.440 5.2 919
158-gr Speer LSWC Power Pistol CCI 500 Speer 1.440 6.0 1037
 

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